On Wed, 2006-31-05 at 11:20 -0700, Tantek Çelik wrote: > In short, even bothering discussing RDFA is NOT a productive use of time for > microformats community. That's how broken it is (and the principles / > assumptions behind it). Some reasons are outlined in my previous email.
Tantek, I think you've mistaken the point of these discussions; they're not about the technical details of such-and-such RDF-in-XHTML initiative, but about the future of microformats. I don't think that subject should be off-topic on the microformats-discuss list. Starting now, and increasing through 2006, you, Tantek Çelik, have to deal with the question, "Should implementers use RDFa or microformats?" You have a couple of options as to how to answer that. One strategy is to position microformats as technically superior, useful in the "real world", and more established. All of those are true, but I think there's a significant value to that W3C watermark in the upper-left corner of the page for many implementers. It's not going to be an easy fight, and it's going to be divisive and wasteful of everyone's energy and attention. Another option is to suggest that the two efforts aren't competing or that they're fulfilling different needs. This rings as disingenuous in my ears, and I think it's obvious to anyone who looks at the examples in the RDFa primer (vcard and ical!) that both efforts are aimed at the same applications. I think the best strategy is to unask the question. Here's the answer that would give me and other implementers a warm fuzzy feeling: "Microformats.org is working with the W3C to make sure that microformats implementations will be upward compatible with future semantic XHTML standards. We'll make sure that implementers today will be able to comply with future official standards with a minimum of effort." When people ask, "Which of these should I implement?" they're not asking, "Which of these is _better_?" That's a moot point. In a perfect technology world, what's better would always be what people should implement, but that's not the world we work in. If you ask the first question and someone answers the second, it sounds like they're either stupid or not listening. You've done a great job promoting microformats and stimulating interest in semantic HTML. I think there's a new challenge in these RDF-in-XHTML proposals, but I think it's important that you see that the challenge is not a technical but an organizational and public relations one. I realize that it's really distasteful to you, but I think you've got the ability to deal with it well, and a great group of people working with you who can help out a lot. ~Evan ________________________________________________________________________ Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://evan.prodromou.name/ _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss