Thom Shannon wrote:
Not sure if anyone's mentioned this before but the new version of Apples
Mail has functionality similar to what microformats is trying to enable
(hCard and hCal)

You can mouse over data in an email like addresses, phone numbers and dates, then add them to your address book/calendar.
http://www.apple.com/business/videotips/?movie=maildatadetectors

A few things spring to mind:

a) Does it use microformats if they're present? - I just tested it, it put the postcode in the state field so I guess not

b) Wouldn't it be nice to get hold of their pattern matching code!

c) Interesting how they've done the interface, not too far from some
mock-ups I saw for FF3, what can we learn from it?

Thom, you probably have found http://www.miramontes.com/writing/add-cacm/index.php, which describes ADD as it was introduced in 1998. The side column only mentions that the current implementation looks Livedoc/ADD-like. It was an interesting read to me.

What I have been thinking more and more and what this tells me again is that the same way we talk of POSH and microformats, we could talk of plain text or plain old english formats, essentially standardizing how people write dates, addresses, etc on the Web or on their emails. Asking people to write "Tuesday, February 5, 2008" in this order, with the commas, etc. is very likely even simpler for normal people than writing <abbr class="foo" title="2008-05-02">Tuesday, February 5, 2008</abbr>. Knowing that receivers will be able to do more with this just by writing it this way, like not forgetting your event, is a big value when comparing it to the additional costs. Even english writers can do this, not just Web developers. Of course, the issue is that this is currently an Apple-only plain-text microformats and implementing may be a bit more work than parsing a microformat (only guessing here). So cheap publishing costs, but possibly more expensive/not as widely available consumption mechanism.

I wonder if this technology could not be used in a reverse way: detect formats as I'm typing (names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.) in plain english and convert them in microformats (cheap publishing costs, cheap consumption costs). The way I see it is that it would provide some code-autocompletion-like feature that makes a little calendar or contact list show up as I'm writing. For instance, if I start to type "Thanks Tho", "Tho" is recognized as being likely a person (following "Thanks" + I have two people in my contacts matching "Tho"), and I'm prompted to confirm whether I'm talking about Thom or Thomas. I select Thom and behind the seen the right microformat is added to my content for the convenience of those that will consume my content.

Guillaume



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