On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Michael > > Michael Smethurst wrote: >> >> On 14/8/08 12:32, "Brian Suda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> 2008/8/14, Michael Smethurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>> >>>> <span class="family-name-prefix">van</span> ... >> >> I've asked around and the label "Onomastic prefix" has been suggested: >> >> http://www.listservicedirect.com/ethnic_religious.html >> >> But again it doesn't seem to differentiate between attached and detached >> prefixes >> >> So I'll stick with family-name-prefix for now (it's easier to spell for >> one) >> unless anyone has a better idea >> > > *family-name-preposition* is probably more accurate to what you are trying > to describe "von" in dutch simply means "of" or "from", "O" as in > "O'Donnell", in Irish means "descendant of" or "grandson of" (in Gaelic > Ua), Mc and Mac are again Irish meaning "son of", and "Fitz" as in > "FitzGerald" is an Irish hash of the french "fils de" which also means "son > of". What I am trying to say is any of these prefixes simply mean "of" and > shouldn't really be considered part of their family name although they > mostly are, think "Van Gough" would you know who I meant if I just said > "Gough"? > > > Best wishes > > Martin McEvoy
Jim O'Donnell (and others), This is the most knowledgable discussion I've seen yet of any extension / decomposition of family-name. As we're not (currently) adding any properties to hCard beyond what is in vCard, there isn't a format solution for this. However, we are *documenting* possible extensions to vCard properties here in the hopes that suggestions with sufficient merit may make it into an update of vCard (which we could then add to hCard) : http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions I encourage you to add your suggestion of a family-name prefix or preposition etc. to that page, perhaps in the new sub-properties section: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#Suggestions_for_New_Sub-properties In the meantime, the POSH approach is a good one. Thanks, Tantek _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss