Hi Nando,

Could you expound a bit on the "(synchronous current detection)" that you 
mention.  I use a clamp on meter as an amperage detector.  As I change 
nozzle configuration on a pelton I can see my Kw's.

David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Digest Number 1153


> Perran:
>
> The induction motor (Generator) GRID connected, follows the GRID frequency
> and the RPM of the GEN, in this case, is going to be the RPM defined by 
> the
> number of poles and the GRID frequency PLUS twice the SLIP Value.
> To detect this you may have an RPM detector to make sure that the GEN does
> not run as a motor, which happens if the hydro pressure lowers.
> Also, techniques like reading the current into the grid with the voltage 
> as
> a reference to detect the current direction -- this is faster and more
> accurate.(synchronous current detection).
>
> Frequency will not move from the GRID frequency-- it can  not  move ( 
> vary)
> because the motor bias is set by the GRID.
>
> If the generator has excessive applied torque ( by the Turbine), one may
> have issues like heavy currents and  (PF) Power Factor.
>
> And for those interested, one may have two hydros operating in parallel, 
> in
> where one is a master (GRID) and the other is the slave ( in this case an
> induction motor) which should be capable of producing not more that about 
> 50
> % of the master.
>
> Regards
>
> Nando
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "H2MJD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [microhydro] Digest Number 1153
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>>
>> Can someone tell me how you can provide this 'utility required' 
>> protection
>> with a directly connected induction motor. My understanding is that power
> will
>> flow into or out of the grid in a seemless manner depending only on the
> speed
>> of the motor/generator shaft and the torque applied. Am I right ??
>>
>> Perran Newman
>>
>>
>>
>> Perran,
>> You are right. When wiring in the motor/generator typically a magnetic
> contactor (motor starter) is used to apply power to the unit. The 
> Over/under
> voltage and over/under freq relays monitor the voltage and frequency of 
> the
> utility power. If the voltage or freq move outside the utility perscribed
> limits(and this will only happen if the utility is experiencing a problem)
> these relays will remove power from the magnetic contactor's coil and the
> motor/gen will then be isolated from the utility grid thereby providing
> safety to all.......i hope this helps.......mark
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