Doug, I don’t doubt that there is great new ATC technology to help the controllers and make them more efficient, and I hope it gets here soon. Too often I would hear controllers at their limit, which is not a good thing. That said, what specific new ATC technology will reduce delays? How does any new ATC tech relate to more runway throughput? Will digital flight strips or CPDLC automated handoffs reduce wake vortex separation, wasted runway slots or runway occupancy time? What new ATC technology will reduce final approach when 10 aircraft arrive at an airport in a short period of time or reduce ramp congestion from aircraft arriving 30 minutes early without a gate? Or what new ATC technology can determine the best, most profitable arrival sequence based on the business needs of each aircraft (schedule, gate availability, connections, maintenance, crew legality, etc.)? Which aircraft lands first, second, third, fourth, etc. is critical to the profitability and efficiency of the airline, but has no value to ATC, and never should. Further, I differentiate between ASNP delays and ATC delays. ANSP delays are about equipment or staffing, e.g., an equipment failure or not enough controllers. ANSPs absolutely need to fix this. ATC delays are vectors, holding or other controller action which delays an aircraft. And it is most of what we now consider ATC delays, driven by random point overloads, that airlines, not ATC, but airlines can easily, efficiently and inexpensively prevent rapidly (starting within months). Michael xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx R. Michael Baiada cell - (303) 521-6047 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] From: Doug Church via Mifnet <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2025 05:41 To: [email protected] Cc: Doug Church <[email protected]> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 73131] Re: And This Will Do Nothing For Airline Delays We don't know that yet, Michael. There is a lot of amazing new technology that is being developed out there that could open up a much higher level of automation and efficiency in the system that very well could result in a noticeable effect on flight delays. I've seen it myself. Only thing stopping it from being installed is money and will - and this current Administration and Congress so far is displaying both in large amounts. It's a potentially very exciting time for the industry. Like nothing any of us have ever seen, only imagined. -Doug Church On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 7:10 PM ATHGroup--- via Mifnet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Even if Duffy gest all the funds he wants in a timely manner (not likely), this upgrade will do nothing for ATC delays. Air traffic control overhaul to cost $31.5 billion, transportation secretary tells Congress <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/air-traffic-control-overhaul-to-cost-31-5-billion-transportation-secretary-tells-congress/ar-AA1IJuwV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=80406a933d3e4140c842e487d5262fd1&ei=28> ATC does not cause delays. “ATC Delays” are a myth that everyone just keeps repeating without a basis in fact. Does ATC vector and delay aircraft near the airport - of course. But ATC is simply reacting to the "day of", random point overload that airlines/operators allowed to occur (described below), which was evident and preventable by the individual airline/operator hours prior to landing. Of course, an equipment failure would cause a delay, but these are Air Navigation Service Provider (ANSP, e.g., NATS, FAA, etc.) delays and not “ATC” delays. There is a difference. While leaving separation and safety to ATC, airlines must step up and take over the real time, “day of” management over the movement of their aircraft to offload ATC to reduce system stress and integrate the airline’s business needs into the flow. This alone would have a huge positive impact on our aviation infrastructure. The solution is simple - if airlines prevented the stress created by the "day of" random point overload by managing their aircraft in real time, beginning hours prior to landing, so as to deliver a stable, predictable, business based, pre sequenced aircraft flow to the airport, ATC won't need to vector or delay the aircraft to sequence the flow. A pre-sorted aircraft arrival flow into an airport (managed by the individual airline/user) = less vectoring = less stress = less delay = less fuel = less CO2 = a more efficient and safer airline and ATC system, and it starts with “day of” aircraft management by the individual airline, not ATC. Michael xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx R. Michael Baiada cell - (303) 521-6047 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revised: 20250507
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