I remember the PR Guy -- Doug Nelms -- was an avid skier and loved to do aviation press ski trips. Those were the days. I was on one of these trips and wherever we went in downtown Aspen when they'd ask us where we were from and learned we were covering the jet's service they'd respond. "Oh, you're with the JET. We are really excited about that." The alternative was Rocky Mountain's Dash 7s and Aspen's props.
I had earlier been on one of Rocky Mountain Dash 7s into Aspen in the summer and the pilot said it was like landing in a tea cup. While Doug went off to Aspen (he was a skilled skier and I a piker), I was over at Buttermilk and Snowmass. My ski buddy was Lou Savenelli, the PR guy from Lycoming. God we had fun. It's a tough job but someone has to do it. I think we got 2 trips to aspen out of that aircraft. Hap Pareti was on one of them boasting about how he would be acquiring the aircraft for Presidential. Crazy times. Doug remains a dear friend but I wish I knew where to find Lou. Thanks for the memories. Cheers -- Kathryn On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 11:16 PM Jack Keady via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote: > > > On 7/21/2025 7:20 PM, Jack Keady wrote: > Antarctic Airways does the seasonal charters from PUQ to TNM > flying the BAe 146-200. > > Short gravel runway. High wings limit gravel issues with the engines. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jack Keady <[email protected]> <[email protected]>; David Wardell via > Mifnet <[email protected]> <[email protected]>; F. Scott > Wilson <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, July 21, 2025 at 05:57:17 PM PDT > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 73213] Re: Aspen landing > > Jack > > It’s pretty rough landing at Aspen. Way back in the day BAe, Inc. leased 2 > X 146-100 aircraft to Aspen Airways, based in Denver. Their main > destination was Aspen, and the BAe-146 was the only large pax jet that > could land there because of (a) great short field performance, and (b) a > landing system we had certified for 146 use that set the glide scope much > like an aircraft carrier system (see your video). This was a long time ago > and I’m far detached from the details. I was the BAe Inc account manager > for Aspen for several years; the new FAA Administrator was then on the > finance staff at Aspen as they struggled to meet both customer demands for > more storage space (skis!) and for some way to make money in the summer > when travel to Aspen was less robust. We re-negotiated rents and payment > plans nonstop. A constant battle. > > Aspen was a very early flier of the BAe-146 and helped prove the aircraft > type, which was way ahead of its time. It was quiet, powered as it was by > four Avro Lycoming (later Texteon Lycoming) geared turbofan engines that > were way ahead of their time but also very unreliable. The 146 was acquired > by niche operators (Aspen for landing at Aspen, Air Cal and PSA to meet > noise restrictions at John Wayne, etc.). As I said it was beset by > problems and there were a few incidents, especially one with a Mexican > regional, but the type had a renaissance in the ‘90s when Northwest > connectors acquired a large number of them for regional ops - it had good > passenger acceptance with a large fuselage providing great headroom. They > were also operated by Business Express (a Delta feeder in the Northeast) > and Presidential (who consumed millions of hours of my time, but what great > experience it was). > > > The Queen’s Flight patriotically employed a 146 (perhaps more than one; > I’m not sure). In support of a 146 sales campaign in Brazil I had the > tough duty of helping to clear the Queen’s Flight through customs at IAD - > it was on its way to Brazil with royals aboard. I have a cherished photo of > the aircraft on the tarmac in front of the incredibly beautiful Dulles main > terminal. > > The Air Cal 146s wound up at American after they acquired Air Cal, and the > PSA ones were integrated into US Air’s fleet after that acquisition. Many > will remember the awful hijacking of a PSA/USAir 146 that the hijacker > drove into the ground somewhere between LA and San Francisco with the loss > of all aboard. Bob Crandall hated the 146 type so much that it had no > chance of winning the AMR procurement process to acquire a small jet to > fill some expanded slots at ORD; they went with the Fokker 100. I lost a > lot of sleep with all those machinations, but it now seems so far away. > > Apologies. Memories. > > Scott >  > > > keady asks if this is a real Aspen landing/ If so, I might take a bus > > > https://www.facebook.com/reel/748034634774622 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revised: 20250507 > > You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. > > The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't > exactly cost-free. 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