BUT, Addison, I have a capital one card and when I search from capital one travel, the prices are much more expensive. Ditto with Hilton.
So, I go to third party sites to find out what the going rate is. I do not book on capital one because it is more expensive ALWAYS. I can't help but think it's the same for AMEX. But here's the thing, airfare searching has now become so difficult that it takes literally hours. What a pain in the ass, I say as I'm trying to find a good fare (oxymoron, I know). Turning the task over to a travel agent always yields higher prices. Will it get so complex airlines will be forced back into the travel agent game? All I know now is that the system is broken as the airlines try to eliminate seats as a commodity. The personalized pricing model is just the next step toward the golden age of travel before the democratization brought on by the 747. Cheers -- Kathryn On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 5:02 PM RWM via Mifnet <[email protected]> wrote: > This is correct, potentially exempts and favors 'full content' buyers via > indirect channels from cases where 'the AI' attempts direct channel price > discovery at premiums above otherwise published price points, because you > are you and your wallet, and somewhat ironic in that since the mid-1990s, > airlines have done everything they can to dis-intermediate agencies. > > That said, it would also disadvantage indirect buyers where 'the AI' > test-drove unpublished lower prices designed to capture as 'bookers' more > of the 'lookers' in the demand curve, which today is often done via > white-box offers through OTAs. > > Oh, well... one step forward, two steps back. > > - Bob Mann > > > On 8/11/2025 4:37 PM, Addison Schonland via Mifnet wrote: > > I believe I figured out how to fix this AI issue. I don’t buy DL via > their website. I do it via AmEx. I get better pricing and DL has no impact > on my pricing. > > > > Regards, > > Addison Schonland > > www.airinsight.aero > > (858) 536-9900 > > (858) 682-4931 – WhatsApp > > > > *From:* Richard Bittenbender via Mifnet <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2025 3:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Richard Bittenbender <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 73575] Re: Chicago Tribune Editorial Board Says > "Personalized’ airline pricing bad" > > > > So, Delta is telling us that they are paying > > a tech consulting company who knows how much > > money when they won’t use the results. > > > > I’m not sure I buy that. > > > > Rich B > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 11, 2025, at 1:29 PM, Tom Ronell via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > >  > > > Is it me, or is the last sentence ironic? > > "AI-driven pricing, especially that which is applied to individuals, is a > real danger unless it is closely monitored." > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Cliff Argue via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *CC: *Cliff Argue <[email protected]> > *Date: *2025-08-11T15:53:19Z > *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 73572] Chicago Tribune Editorial Board Says > "Personalized’ airline pricing bad" > > I thought this would be of interest. > > > > Cliff Argue > > > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------* > > *Personalized’ airline pricing bad* > > > > By Chicago Tribune Editorial Board 7/30/25 > > > > Delta Air Lines says it is rolling out “personalized fares,” which sounds > benign and even sweet but is precisely the opposite. > > > > What is really going on is that the massive airline is phasing in > artificial intelligence-powered ticket pricing that may offer you a > different fare for a particular trip than your neighbor down the street. > > > > Delta has insisted that it won’t use personal information, such as age or > income, although that is the nirvana of this kind of dynamic pricing. > > > > Big companies spend billions trying to discover who is price sensitive and > who is not, so as to charge those who don’t care more than those who do. > That was the analog thinking behind the old Saturday- night-stay > requirement and the current variable refundability of tickets; > price-sensitive leisure travelers need lower fares than business travelers > who have no choice but to travel and typically are not paying their own > freight. > > > > Airfares long have been variable, but using AI to boil this down to the > individual at any given moment is going further than airlines ever have > gone before. > > > > Savvy travelers, of course, will use their own AI to try and defeat the > airline’s AI and figure out the optimal moment at which to buy, but that > will leave more vulnerable travelers, such as seniors or young people, > potentially at the mercy of the algorithm. > > > > And for the rest of us, it will be exhausting. > > > > Where Delta leads, you can bet other airlines will follow. Already, car > buying is becoming a battle of AI-fueled data. Savvy consumers are fine; > other folks, less so. > > > > We think AI-driven pricing, especially that which is applied to > individuals, is a real danger unless it is closely monitored. We don’t need > to remind readers how much data an airline like Delta has on its customers, > whatever its insistence that it would never use it for pricing decisions. > We think there is something fundamentally unfair about the practice on that > granular a level: Surely there should be a group of real, fair fares out > there, not an infinite number of gradations that makes a task as simple and > routine as buying a vacation flight a frustrating exercise that leaves you > suspicious you just got ripped off, or at least did not get the best > possible deal. No one wants the Uber-ization of the entire travel > experience. > > > > These changes are hardly limited to airlines. On Sunday, The Wall Street > Journal reported on new technology emerging in Europe that will allow > electronic prices in grocery stores to change without notice hundreds of > times in a day, based on various, likely undisclosed, shifts in supply and > demand. > > > > Imagine: A half-gallon of milk might be cheaper at noon than at 9 a.m. Or > you might find that on hot days, the price of charcoal rises, only to fall > when it starts to rain. > > > > You can think of it as surge pricing at the grocery store. > > > > Our first worry, though, is that those electronic tags will flash > different prices based on the facial recognition of whoever is walking down > the aisle, figuring out how much they have bought on their loyalty cards, > how much is their typical spend, whether or not they buy on sale or > couldn’t care less or even how much their appearance suggests they make in > a week. As with airlines, we’ve also voluntarily given up a whole lot of > our personal data to grocery stores, seduced by promotions within their > apps. Many chains have insisted they wouldn’t even think of such things, > but once the technology is in place and revenue is strapped, the temptation > will only increase. > > > > We know of no one who asked for any of this. And while this page has long > respected businesses doing their best to maximize profit and revenue, we’re > with the worried consumer advocates on this one. > > > > Data protection and full disclosure assurances are needed, help for > vulnerable shoppers is a moral obligation, and supermarkets and other > stores that go too far will risk a serious shopper backlash. > > > > We’re already upset at the idea of having to stand for several minutes at > the frozen pizza case in case the prices of pies suddenly drop. 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