Yes, the very same man. And PanAm never flew LHR-TXL; that route was reserved for BA. As was Paris reserved for AF. But PA made up for it by getting the 40-year monopoly on both FRA-TXL and MUC-TXL, much to the envy and consternation of Heinz Ruhnau.
tom w (a former US Civil Air Attaché in Bonn, as was Erwin van den Steinen) On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 at 19:58 Robert S. Distler via Mifnet < mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > Tom, > > > > The was the famous Franz Josef Strauss, for whom the current Munich > airport was named. He was once given a seat (and a captain’s hat with a > Pan Am insignia) at the controls of the first A310-200 in a specially > arranged flight from the former Munich-Riem airport to Berlin-Tegel. A > single A310 was part of the FRA hourly schedule, and was swapped out > TXL-DUS with a JFK-BRU-DUS flight > > > > Bob Distler > > > > > > *From:* Tom Windmuller via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 August, 2025 07:55 > *To:* mifnet@lists.mifnet.com > *Cc:* Tom Windmuller <tom.windmul...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 73741] Re: Pan Am > > > > “Government help” is a useful metaphor for what was far more than cash. > I was in a mtg in about 1986 where Josef Strauss, Minister-President (= > Governor) of Bavaria (and then also Chairman of the Airbus board) proposed > to the US Ambassador to West Germany that Airbus would stay out of the long > haul market (not yet launched A-330/340) if Boeing would cede half of the > narrow body market. > > > > You can imagine the response from WashDC, not to mention Seattle. > > > > tom w. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revised: 20250507 > > You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. > > The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't > exactly cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the > effort, please know that it would be greatly appreciated: > https://wardell.us/url/mifbit > > All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies: > > 1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a > privilege--not a right. > 2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the > author. > 3) The tone of discussions is collegial. > 4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste. > 5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other > Mifnet members. > > * The Mifnet WEB SITE is: > https://www.mifnet.com/ > > * To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: > mifnet-requ...@lists.mifnet.com?subject=leave > > * Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to: > mifnet@lists.mifnet.com > > * You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at: > mifnet-ow...@lists.mifnet.com > > * Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all > list traffic into 1-3 > messages daily. See instructions at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > > * Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > > * For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: > mifnet-requ...@lists.mifnet.com?subject=help > > * View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at: > https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies > > * View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at: > https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems > > * View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/mifnet@lists.mifnet.com/ >
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