About 150 years ago when I was an FE on the DC-10 the training stated that a
wing engine failure could possibly result in a center engine failure because of
parts being ejected from the wing engine. Any reduction in thrust from the #2
engine on T/O surely nullifies any engine out performance calculations.
Eric
On Wednesday, November 5, 2025 at 08:40:16 AM EST, RWM--- via Mifnet
<[email protected]> wrote:
Plus what appeared to be a compressor stall in #2 due to FOD and/or disturbed
inlet airflow.
Fully fueled, at that takeoff weight, after rotation, with #1 and left wing and
#2 as they were, unlikely to be able to maintain attitude or altitude.
Tragic, including those on the ground.
- Bob Mann
> On Nov 5, 2025, at 01:30, Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I’ve been following it since late afternoon and was surprised that yours is
> the first comment here about it.
>
> 5X 2976 / UPS 2976 was flying SDF-HNL so an augmented flight, hence three
> crew. The accident aircraft was N259UP, an MD-11F first delivered to Thai
> Airways in 1991.
>
> Photographs of the nacelle from the #1 engine, then the #1 engine itself,
> along the runway suggest a catastrophic engine failure which triggered a wing
> fire which is evident in videos of the aircraft as it rolled to the left
> before snagging the left wing on the ground and crashing in a fireball. I’ve
> read comments suggesting echoes of AA 191 ORD-LAX on 25 May 1979 but that was
> a “simple” engine separation versus what appears to be an uncontained
> failure. The NTSB report on this one should be interesting.
>
> -- Karl
>
>> On Nov 4, 2025, at 9:05 PM, Jack Keady via Mifnet <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Icymi UPS at Louisville
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Revised: 20250507
>
> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list.
>
> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't
> exactly cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the effort,
> please know that it would be greatly appreciated:
> https://wardell.us/url/mifbit
>
> All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies:
>
> 1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a privilege--not
> a right.
> 2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the
> author.
> 3) The tone of discussions is collegial.
> 4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste.
> 5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other
> Mifnet members.
>
> * The Mifnet WEB SITE is:
> https://www.mifnet.com/
>
> * To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit:
> https://lists.mifnet.com/
> OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email:
>[email protected]?subject=leave
>
> * Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to:
> [email protected]
>
> * You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at:
> [email protected]
>
> * Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all
> list traffic into 1-3
> messages daily. See instructions at:
> https://lists.mifnet.com/
>
> * Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at:
> https://lists.mifnet.com/
>
> * For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email:
> [email protected]?subject=help
>
> * View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at:
> https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies
>
> * View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at:
> https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems
>
> * View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at:
> https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Revised: 20250507
You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list.
The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't exactly
cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the effort, please
know that it would be greatly appreciated:
https://wardell.us/url/mifbit
All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies:
1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a privilege--not a
right.
2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the author.
3) The tone of discussions is collegial.
4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste.
5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other
Mifnet members.
* The Mifnet WEB SITE is:
https://www.mifnet.com/
* To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: [email protected]?subject=leave
* Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to:
[email protected]
* You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at:
[email protected]
* Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all list
traffic into 1-3
messages daily. See instructions at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
* Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
* For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email:
[email protected]?subject=help
* View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at:
https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies
* View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at:
https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems
* View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Revised: 20250507
You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list.
The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't exactly
cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the effort, please
know that it would be greatly appreciated:
https://wardell.us/url/mifbit
All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies:
1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a privilege--not a
right.
2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the author.
3) The tone of discussions is collegial.
4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste.
5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other
Mifnet members.
* The Mifnet WEB SITE is:
https://www.mifnet.com/
* To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: [email protected]?subject=leave
* Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to:
[email protected]
* You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at:
[email protected]
* Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all list
traffic into 1-3
messages daily. See instructions at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
* Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/
* For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email:
[email protected]?subject=help
* View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at:
https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies
* View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at:
https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems
* View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at:
https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
