Thank you to all who participated! We had a big group this time. It felt like lots of technical traction and interchange occurred. Stories were updated in Mingle and the Issue Tracker.
It just occurred to me that the transcript needn't be mailed around if we had an IRC logbot. Anyone want to set this up? Maybe we could host the archived logs on one of the mifos.org servers. Here's one potential logbot: http://www.jibble.org/logbot/ Full transcript follows. bmazur = Beth Mazur bpatnaik = Biren Patnaik hcc = Chris ? jkingdon = Jim Kingdon keithrp = Keith Pierce Kim = Kimloan Ho meonkeys = Adam Monsen mparlion = Massimiliano Parlione nagesh1 = Nagesh Pulluru nlajdel = Nazir Lajdel ravi_kutaphale = Ravi Kutaphale vanmh = Van Mittal-Henkle (08:01:34 AM) jkingdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (08:31:02 AM) nlajdel_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (08:31:59 AM) nlajdel_: jkingdon: Hi Jim, (08:42:09 AM) bpatnaik [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-88d91f4fcb3c5384] entered the room. (08:42:19 AM) mparlion [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-f6a36e7a3a612315] entered the room. (08:43:56 AM) meonkeys: Hi all! (08:45:58 AM) nlajdel_: meonkeys: Hi Meonkeys! (08:46:14 AM) nlajdel_: meonkeys:Adam, it is that? (08:46:15 AM) meonkeys: nlajdel_: Please, call me Adam. :) (08:46:18 AM) meonkeys: yes (08:46:23 AM) nlajdel_: :) (08:46:26 AM) meonkeys: Hi Nazir! Glad you could join us. (08:46:44 AM) meonkeys: Everyone: feel free to peruse http://mifos.org/developers/wiki/PlanningPoker before the 9am meeting. (08:46:46 AM) nlajdel_: Thanks Adam (08:48:03 AM) ravi_kutaphale [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-cad1f432321987b5] entered the room. (08:48:29 AM) nagesh1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-8017ac286e1e595e] entered the room. (08:54:02 AM) ravi_kutaphale: hello mifos'ers this is ravi from IBM ireland (08:54:46 AM) meonkeys: welcome, Ravi! (08:55:07 AM) meonkeys: nagesh1: welcome, Nagesh! (08:55:17 AM) nagesh1: Thanks Adam (08:55:26 AM) nagesh1: how r u (08:55:40 AM) meonkeys: well, thank you. Just getting ready for the meeting. (08:56:01 AM) nagesh1: ok (08:56:38 AM) ravi_kutaphale: Thanks Adam. (08:58:53 AM) vanmh [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (09:00:17 AM) meonkeys: It's about that time! Stand by for planning poker... (09:01:20 AM) meonkeys: Participants/observers, for more info on IRC, see: http://mifos.org/developers/technical-orientation/irc-mifos/ (09:01:24 AM) meonkeys: Note to observers: sorry, not all information will be shareable. The people with voice in this channel are on a voice call. (09:01:35 AM) keithrp [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (09:06:11 AM) meonkeys: possible estimates: 1,2,3,5,8,13,20,40 (09:06:17 AM) meonkeys: Story points do not necessarily equate to time required to implement stories. Rather, the story point value should indicate the story complexity relative to other stories. (09:06:25 AM) meonkeys: List of stories to estimate: (09:07:18 AM) Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (09:08:20 AM) sam-r-i [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (09:08:22 AM) meonkeys: List of stories to estimate: 167, 168, 140 (09:08:56 AM) bmazur [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (09:10:47 AM) meonkeys: (right now we're discussing planning poker in general on the voice call) (09:11:30 AM) meonkeys: planning poker is an agile methodology which uses point values represent complexity/relative amount of work keithrp Kim (09:12:07 AM) mode (+vvv vanmh sam-r-i keithrp ) by meonkeys (09:12:07 AM) mode (+v Kim ) by meonkeys (09:12:13 AM) mode (+v meonkeys ) by meonkeys (09:12:46 AM) meonkeys: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/167 (09:12:56 AM) meonkeys: https://mifos.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1572 (09:13:24 AM) mparlion: Null point exception when clicking on a loan acct # (09:22:15 AM) mparlion: we loose the voice sometimes (09:22:25 AM) sam-r-i: having trouble with voice too (09:22:35 AM) sam-r-i: are you guys in dublin able to call in to a conference number? (09:22:36 AM) meonkeys: ok, sounds like the voice call is falling apart. :-/ (09:22:42 AM) mparlion: yes (09:22:50 AM) mparlion: we can call a phone number (09:23:01 AM) meonkeys: ok, will advise. Please stand by. (09:24:46 AM) sam-r-i: its good (09:24:55 AM) sam-r-i: (message removed) (09:24:56 AM) sam-r-i: (message removed) (09:25:29 AM) sam-r-i: we'll have to exit the call at 18:00 GMT (09:29:05 AM) meonkeys: still discussing https://mifos.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1572 (09:29:42 AM) meonkeys: loans created before a recent commit cause the NPE (09:29:44 AM) meonkeys: question for PMs: support data migration or provide instructions for manual migration? (09:30:26 AM) meonkeys: beth: instructions for manual migration would be fine. Whichever solution is shorter/simpler (09:34:11 AM) meonkeys: ready? DEAL. (09:34:14 AM) vanmh: 3 (09:34:14 AM) meonkeys: 2 (09:34:15 AM) Kim: 3 (09:34:15 AM) keithrp: 3 (09:34:19 AM) sam-r-i: 3 (09:35:09 AM) mparlion: yes (09:37:30 AM) meonkeys: I conceed. (09:37:31 AM) meonkeys: agreed on 3. (09:38:03 AM) meonkeys: Story 168 - HTTP 500 Error for loans in bad standing (09:38:06 AM) meonkeys: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/168 (09:38:56 AM) meonkeys: https://mifos.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1547 (09:44:05 AM) mparlion: you should add the logs (09:44:11 AM) meonkeys: does this repro with any kind of loan account? (09:44:12 AM) mparlion: to the defects (09:44:27 AM) meonkeys: mparlion: thanks, I agree. (09:45:10 AM) meonkeys: is there a stack trace? (09:47:05 AM) ravi_kutaphale: some one mentioned NPE .. will be good to get the trace on the bug (09:47:21 AM) vanmh: yes, ravi (09:47:34 AM) vanmh: just requested it (09:47:59 AM) meonkeys: added comments to bug. (09:48:11 AM) meonkeys: Story 140 - Issue #1513: Linux/MySQL deployments broken without lower_case_table_names setting (09:48:15 AM) sam-r-i: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/140 (09:48:22 AM) meonkeys: https://mifos.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1513 (09:48:36 AM) mparlion: it is described in our installation doc (09:53:55 AM) mode (+v mparlion ) by meonkeys (09:54:44 AM) meonkeys: goal is to eliminate the need for the MySQL config workaround (09:54:50 AM) meonkeys: (lower_case_table_names=1) (09:55:43 AM) meonkeys: ready, DEAL. (09:55:44 AM) keithrp: 5 (09:55:45 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 3 (09:55:45 AM) vanmh: 5 (09:55:46 AM) sam-r-i: 5 (09:55:46 AM) meonkeys: 3 (09:55:46 AM) mparlion: 6 (09:55:47 AM) Kim: 2 (09:55:56 AM) bpatnaik: 5 (09:56:07 AM) meonkeys: reminder... possible estimates: 1,2,3,5,8,13,20,40 (09:57:38 AM) ravi_kutaphale: this would also invole migration (10:00:36 AM) meonkeys: ready, RE-DEAL. (10:00:38 AM) vanmh: 5 (10:00:39 AM) sam-r-i: 5 (10:00:39 AM) keithrp: 5 (10:00:40 AM) meonkeys: 5 (10:00:40 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 3 (10:00:40 AM) mparlion: 5 (10:00:41 AM) Kim: 5 (10:00:42 AM) nagesh1: 5 (10:02:24 AM) bpatnaik left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]"). (10:02:26 AM) meonkeys: any other discussion before the final re-deal? (10:02:37 AM) nagesh1 left the room. (10:03:07 AM) awalji [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room. (10:03:12 AM) meonkeys: Ravi, you mentioned that it didn't sound as complex as other stories. (10:03:35 AM) ravi_kutaphale: compared to other stories there is not much effort involved for this issue (10:04:08 AM) meonkeys: I tend to agree with you. Any other of the 5's care to comment? (10:04:24 AM) keithrp: I don't have a good feel for the relative complexity and will defer to others. I'd probably stick with 5 because of it (10:04:32 AM) vanmh: I need to drop off... (10:04:57 AM) keithrp: I need to drop off too. (10:05:00 AM) mparlion: you need to change mapping files, migration scripts (10:05:09 AM) vanmh left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]"). (10:05:16 AM) meonkeys: mparlion: Yes, good point. (10:05:29 AM) meonkeys: ravi_kutaphale: can we talk you into 5? (10:06:10 AM) ravi_kutaphale: ok, but just want to mention that the hbm file dont need to be changed.. (10:06:35 AM) mparlion: the code will work (10:06:45 AM) mparlion: but to avoid using diferrent cases (10:06:54 AM) ravi_kutaphale: ok we take ot to 5 but we also write a standards document for all sql (10:07:07 AM) mparlion: you should change them (10:07:56 AM) ravi_kutaphale: i mean with 5 we include a task to write a standards doc (10:08:20 AM) meonkeys: ravi_kutaphale: you mentioned the .hbm.xml files don't need to be changed. I think I agree that is the case if you standardize on uppercase for all table names and column names. Do you agree? (10:09:36 AM) meonkeys: and I like the idea of a document outlining standards for SQL (DML) in Mifos; this should be added to the existing coding standards: http://mifos.org/developers/technical-orientation/mifos-database-development (10:09:44 AM) ravi_kutaphale: Yes I agree. (10:09:54 AM) mparlion: yes, as proposed in the Dublin workshop (10:10:13 AM) ravi_kutaphale: I think most people are not folowing the standards.. so we need to enforce them.. (10:10:30 AM) meonkeys: right. (10:10:46 AM) ravi_kutaphale: I saw some code and everyone follow their own coding standards.. (10:11:01 AM) meonkeys: ok then, 5 it is. I'll update the story in Mingle. keithrp Kim (10:11:11 AM) ravi_kutaphale: cool thats fine. (10:11:22 AM) mode (-vvv meonkeys keithrp Kim ) by meonkeys (10:11:22 AM) mode (-vv mparlion sam-r-i ) by meonkeys (10:11:59 AM) meonkeys: thank you again, all! Please continue to hang out in the IRC channel if you like. It's Free! :) (10:12:12 AM) Kim left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]"). (10:12:13 AM) mparlion: ok, thanks (10:12:15 AM) mparlion: ciao (10:12:52 AM) meonkeys: This brings us to the end of planning poker. Special thank-you to our new friends at IBM Dublin. (10:13:03 AM) mparlion: cheers (10:13:04 AM) ravi_kutaphale: you welcome... (10:13:11 AM) meonkeys: Special thank you to bmazur for on-the-fly PM help. (10:13:39 AM) bmazur: any time ! (10:13:44 AM) mparlion left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]"). (10:23:30 AM) meonkeys: Sorry we didn't get to story #168. We'll tackle that one next week, I guess. (10:24:05 AM) ravi_kutaphale left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). -- Adam Monsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. 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