Ya, I've had that before. You certainly want to be very comfortable with your selection of equipment. I generally dont rely heavily on vendor support.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Tristram Cheer <[email protected] > wrote: > :) PTMP is all good for mixing but it depends on what you need. We run pure > MT for Core to AP to CPE with some 1000+ CPE. I did run some mixed networks > but as you scale up settling on a single vendor helps with complex faults > where a mixed system ends up with the vendors involved pointing the blame > elsewhere > > On 20 September 2010 15:22, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No problem, my bad! > > > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Tristram Cheer < > > [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > Sorry you didnt point that out in a e-mail thread about PTP links > > > > > > On 20 September 2010 15:19, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I didnt say PTP. It wasn't planned that way, its just the way it > worked > > > > out. > > > > I have customer whose 125' tower is unclimbable. So, I ran coax down > to > > > the > > > > bottom and used an RB433AH with an XR5. The link comes from a > Ubiquiti > > > > RocketM5 Sector and I have my MT (RB1000) at the bottom of that tower > > > doing > > > > all the routing. All works very well. Why not? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Tristram Cheer < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dont cheap out on a PTP link? I cant think of a single reason for a > > PTP > > > > > link > > > > > to use 2 different brands. PTMP yeah but in that case I'd use UBNT > on > > > the > > > > > CPE side and put it in router mode > > > > > > > > > > On 20 September 2010 14:35, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This leads to a question: What if youre using a different AP > > (UBNT)? > > > > What > > > > > > would the setting be then? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Tristram Cheer < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psuedo-Bridge is a standard breaker, Why not use plain old WDS > or > > > > > better > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > VPLS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've encountered a number of times speed limitations when > > bridging > > > > > > > wireless > > > > > > > to Ethernet and ended up switching from WDS bridges to BGP-VPLS > > for > > > > our > > > > > > > backhaul core > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 September 2010 13:26, Scott Reed <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think comparing the MT psuedo-bridge to an old > > anything > > > is > > > > > > > > correct. MT developed this in response to customer requests > for > > a > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > bridging on the station end. I have not done a lot of these, > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > fine for everything we have run through them. I have one > that > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > running for a couple of years without a hiccup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/2010 7:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The only difference is bridge allows one item in the reg > > table, > > > > > > > >> ap-bridge 255 IIRC. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> pseudo isn't a real bridge and can (and probably will) lead > to > > > > layer > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > >> issues. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> A good example was a Tranzeo "PTP" link we had years ago > > (using > > > > the > > > > > > > >> proprietary PTP configuration option). The routers between > > two > > > > > sites > > > > > > > >> lost connectivity every 10-15 minutes. Put in an eoip > tunnel > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > >> routers on top of the Tranzeo link and the problem was > solved. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Josh Luthman > > > > > > > >> Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > > > > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > > > > >> 1100 Wayne St > > > > > > > >> Suite 1337 > > > > > > > >> Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Bill Prince > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> I used to do that until they came out with the > > > > pseudobridge-clone > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > >>> Just seems to set up a little easier, but I was wondering > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > >>> "other" > > > > > > > >>> implications. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> So one way is: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> PTP master = ap-bridge > > > > > > > >>> PTP slave = station + wds > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Another way: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> PTP master = bridge > > > > > > > >>> PTP slave = station + wds > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Yet another way (what I'm using): > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> PTP master = bridge > > > > > > > >>> PTP slave = station-psuedobridge-clone > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> If I understand bridge versus ap-bridge correctly, > ap-bridge > > is > > > > for > > > > > > > PtMP, > > > > > > > >>> and bridge is for PTP. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> bp > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On 9/20/2010 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> With one radio you want to use ap-bridge and station, then > > go > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> WDS tab and set the first two fields appropriately. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Josh Luthman > > > > > > > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > > > > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > > > > >>>> 1100 Wayne St > > > > > > > >>>> Suite 1337 > > > > > > > >>>> Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Bill Prince > > > > > > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> As in a backhaul. What last did was create a bridge > > between > > > > the > > > > > > > ether1 > > > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>> wlan1 on both units. Then I set the primary to "bridge", > > and > > > I > > > > > set > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>>> slave to station-pseudobridge-clone (no WDS). > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> According to the way I read it, the pseudobridge-clone > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > >>>>> transparent > > > > > > > >>>>> (no munging the MACs of the attached devices into the MAC > > of > > > > the > > > > > > PTP > > > > > > > >>>>> station). It doesn't seem to take a lot of processing > > power, > > > > and > > > > > > you > > > > > > > >>>>> don't > > > > > > > >>>>> have to create an addition bridge for the WDS. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Comments? > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>> bp > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > > > > > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related > to > > > > > > Mikrotik > > > > > > > >>>>> RouterOS > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list > > > > > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for 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