Hej Janne, >The thing is, I believe, that the troll part comes not so much >from the crossposting and stuff, but rather from the general "I have a >good idea but I can't code anything so I'll produce talk and papers and >talk and a maillist and talk and a theme song and talk and gather >others to talk with and we will continually make no code come out of >all our good intentions, but lots of talk".
If I were to make a theme song, Janne, you wouldn't just talk talk talk you'd also dance Dance DANCE! The only talk I'm interested in is brainstorming. My idea is good, but the reason I went to these mailinglists was not to produce talk, but to initiate talk and then exploit talk, so my idea can become better. >Now, before you explode, I am just guessing that this is how it >was interpreted. Mail like yours often (like in 100% of the cases) end >up like my example above. Therefore, any new mails that _look_like_ >one of those "I have an idea but nothing except talk will ensue" will >get shot down in the early stages. I know what you mean. I see it all the time too. >This sucks of course, but during the some 8 years I've been >following OpenBSD, lots and lots of similar mails have flown by. >Nothing good came out of them. If you are interrested, try looking at >the smp-maillist for openbsd, before the time smp actually was >available. Loads and loads of people talked and talked. They all had >great ideas on how to not make "mistakes" about biglocks and other >smp-buzzwords, but noone actually added any value to the smp progress. >Nothing at all. 8 years! That would make you ... how old? As for SMP, the best idea would be FreeBSD. >As for your idea, well it wouldn't be wrong to try to rethink OS >design but as for the OBSD crowd, posting ideas before code is a no-op. >Not because they don't like new ideas, but rather because developer >attention is so scarse. They can't jump onto any new idea that >people post, no matter how good it is in theory. And one of the >criteria for making sure the theory works, is to try it in practice, >which I guess they want you to do. > >In order to do that, you probably need to start coding, or hire >someone to code for you. In the mean time, you will be ignored at best, >since chances are you haven't got the foggiest clue about OS design and >they think that you will crawl back under the rock you came out of. Or >something like that. What point are you trying to make here? I have 19 kernel hackers, 3 architects and 5 multimedia designers on my team so far. And I expect it to grow; as our codebase gradually inclines with our goal. >No, I'm not flaming you, at least not on purpose. I just try to >interpret what is going on, on the openbsd-lists. It's not pretty, >and probably quite useless, counterproductive and badwill- generating, >but in the past, the flamers have been right, flames or no flames. 8-/ It seems more to me like you're flaming me for the sake of flaming me. I don't mind, I am already dark skinned. -- Siqo Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
