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I'd like to be able to use just mail instead of the system MUA for one user who doesn't have an email account setup with the ISP, but who just wants to be able send email messages to other users on the network. So far, the messages keep getting "MDeferred: Connection refused by ....". I added the network name, and later, when that didn't work, the IP address also, to /etc/mail/access, along with OK for local but not relay, rebuilt database by "makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access", but the mail messages are still refused. I can ssh/scp between all the computers on the network. Also no problems with NFS. Use it regularly from an XP box and and the other BSD computers on the network. I had just started running pf on the box that's refusing the messages, but disabled it and restarted, but it didn't help. I don't know if it's pertinent to the problem, but I'm running current, now on the 4th system build. Didn't put dmesg in this message for sake of brevity, and because there was nothing abnormal in it after the last cvsup and build. But, if it's needed, please advise, and I'll do it. According to /usr/ports/infrastructure/build/out-of-date, all ports are up to date, too. Thanks for any help on this. Denny White GnuPG key : 0x1644E79A | http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net Fingerprint: D0A9 AD44 1F10 E09E 0E67 EC25 CB44 F2E5 1644 E79A iD8DBQFDZ2hKy0Ty5RZE55oRAjTGAJ0TMSSrK7aSWnUAiknONUaG1T35EACfRpB4 X0ku+Hhmb8XTKhapjepsMzQ= =LsiP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----