I am trying to iinstall 5. on a SEL-3354 hardened AMD64 machine. I have managed to install it, and get it to boot, but I am not getting any video out of either VGA port after rebooting from the installattion. I did have ideo during the isnatllation, and the console appears to be active on this, as I cna log in using hte USN keyboard, and can then see that login session using who while loged in ove the network. Jere is dmesg output:
e 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB600 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb4 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci5 at ppb4 bus 6 em0 at pci5 dev 3 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:33 em1 at pci5 dev 4 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:34 unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0007 (class system subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 0 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0006 (class communications subclass serial, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 1 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0003 (class DASP subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 2 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0005 (class DASP subclass synchronization, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 3 not configured pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00 usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb5 at ohci4: USB revision 1.0 uhub5 at usb5 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 umass0 at uhub0 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Sony DRX-830U" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 umass0: using ATAPI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 cd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <SONY, DVD RW DRU-830A, SS25> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable serial.054c02d1MP0000005BAE uhub6 at uhub0 port 3 "vendor 0x0424 product 0x2514" rev 2.00/b.b3 addr 3 uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev0: iclass 3/1 ukbd0 at uhidev0 wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0 uhidev1 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev1: iclass 3/0, 2 report ids uhid at uhidev1 reportid 1 not configured uhid at uhidev1 reportid 2 not configured softraid0 at root scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b OpenBSD 5.0 (RAMDISK_CD) #36: Wed Aug 17 10:27:31 MDT 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2600+ ("AuthenticAMD" 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 1.61 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16 real mem = 3623153664 (3455MB) avail mem = 3556896768 (3392MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/18/11, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0x9f800 (28 entries) bios0: vendor Diversified Technology, Inc. version "1.06" date 07/18/2011 bios0: Diversified Technology, Inc. ETX-M690 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB HPET TCPA SSDT acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 21, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 6 (P0P6) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCE4) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCE5) bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xd800 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "ATI RS690 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon X1250 IGP" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) ppb1 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 vendor "ATI", unknown product 0x7914 rev 0x00 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 mskc0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Marvell Yukon 88E8040" rev 0x13, Yukon-2 FE+ rev. A0 (0x0): apic 1 int 16 msk0 at mskc0 port A: address 00:20:13:f4:84:44 eephy0 at msk0 phy 0: 88E3016 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 ppb2 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 jmb0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "JMicron JMB368 IDE" rev 0x00 pciide0 at jmb0: DMA, channel 0 wired to native-PCI, channel 1 wired to native-PCI pciide0: using apic 1 int 17 for native-PCI interrupt pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) ppb3 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 ahci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB600 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <ATA, WDC SSD-D0120S-5, 6.26> SCSI3 0/direct fixed t10.ATA_WDC_SSD-D0120S-5000_CC50413918831BH8H600 sd0: 114473MB, 512 bytes/sector, 234441648 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17, version 1.0, legacy support ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ohci3 at pci0 dev 19 function 3 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17, version 1.0, legacy support ohci4 at pci0 dev 19 function 4 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 5 "ATI SB600 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x14 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 not configured pciide1 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 "ATI SB600 IDE" rev 0x00: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: <SFCF32GBH1BO4TO-I-NC-523-SMA> wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 31263MB, 64028160 sectors wd1 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 1: <SFCF32GBH1BO4TO-I-NC-523-SMA> wd1: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 31263MB, 64028160 sectors wd0(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 wd1(pciide1:0:1): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB600 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb4 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci5 at ppb4 bus 6 em0 at pci5 dev 3 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:33 em1 at pci5 dev 4 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:34 unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0007 (class system subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 0 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0006 (class communications subclass serial, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 1 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0003 (class DASP subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 2 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0005 (class DASP subclass synchronization, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 3 not configured pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00 usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb5 at ohci4: USB revision 1.0 uhub5 at usb5 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 umass0 at uhub0 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Sony DRX-830U" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 umass0: using ATAPI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 cd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <SONY, DVD RW DRU-830A, SS25> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable serial.054c02d1MP0000005BAE uhub6 at uhub0 port 3 "vendor 0x0424 product 0x2514" rev 2.00/b.b3 addr 3 uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev0: iclass 3/1 ukbd0 at uhidev0 wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0 uhidev1 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev1: iclass 3/0, 2 report ids uhid at uhidev1 reportid 1 not configured uhid at uhidev1 reportid 2 not configured softraid0 at root scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b syncing disks... OpenBSD 5.0 (GENERIC) #43: Wed Aug 17 10:10:52 MDT 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2600+ ("AuthenticAMD" 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 1.61 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16 real mem = 3623153664 (3455MB) avail mem = 3553845248 (3389MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/18/11, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0x9f800 (28 entries) bios0: vendor Diversified Technology, Inc. version "1.06" date 07/18/2011 bios0: Diversified Technology, Inc. ETX-M690 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB HPET TCPA SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PS2K(S1) PS2M(S1) USB1(S1) USB2(S1) USB3(S1) USB4(S1) USB5(S1) EUSB(S1) PWRB(S1) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe0000000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 6 (P0P6) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCE4) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCE5) acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xd800 cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1601 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "ATI RS690 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon X1250 IGP" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) ppb1 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 vendor "ATI", unknown product 0x7914 rev 0x00 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 mskc0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Marvell Yukon 88E8040" rev 0x13, Yukon-2 FE+ rev. A0 (0x0): apic 1 int 16 msk0 at mskc0 port A: address 00:20:13:f4:84:44 eephy0 at msk0 phy 0: 88E3016 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 ppb2 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 jmb0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "JMicron JMB368 IDE" rev 0x00 pciide0 at jmb0: DMA, channel 0 wired to native-PCI, channel 1 wired to native-PCI pciide0: using apic 1 int 17 for native-PCI interrupt pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) ppb3 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "ATI RS690 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 ahci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB600 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <ATA, WDC SSD-D0120S-5, 6.26> SCSI3 0/direct fixed t10.ATA_WDC_SSD-D0120S-5000_CC50413918831BH8H600 sd0: 114473MB, 512 bytes/sector, 234441648 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17, version 1.0, legacy support ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ohci3 at pci0 dev 19 function 3 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17, version 1.0, legacy support ohci4 at pci0 dev 19 function 4 "ATI SB600 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 5 "ATI SB600 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x14: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 4GB DDR2 SDRAM ECC PC2-5300CL5 pciide1 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 "ATI SB600 IDE" rev 0x00: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: <SFCF32GBH1BO4TO-I-NC-523-SMA> wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 31263MB, 64028160 sectors wd1 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 1: <SFCF32GBH1BO4TO-I-NC-523-SMA> wd1: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 31263MB, 64028160 sectors wd0(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 wd1(pciide1:0:1): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 azalia0: codecs: Analog Devices AD1884A audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB600 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb4 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci5 at ppb4 bus 6 em0 at pci5 dev 3 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:33 em1 at pci5 dev 4 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82540EM)" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21, address 00:30:a7:04:7c:34 unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0007 (class system subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 0 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0006 (class communications subclass serial, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 1 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0003 (class DASP subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 2 not configured unknown vendor 0x1aa9 product 0x0005 (class DASP subclass synchronization, rev 0x01) at pci5 dev 5 function 3 not configured pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb5 at ohci4: USB revision 1.0 uhub5 at usb5 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support umass0 at uhub0 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Sony DRX-830U" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 umass0: using ATAPI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 cd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <SONY, DVD RW DRU-830A, SS25> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable serial.054c02d1MP0000005BAE uhub6 at uhub0 port 3 "Standard Microsystems product 0x2514" rev 2.00/b.b3 addr 3 uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev0: iclass 3/1 ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 modifier keys, 6 key codes wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0 uhidev1 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 "CHICONY Compaq USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/1.05 addr 2 uhidev1: iclass 3/0, 2 report ids uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 1: input=5, output=0, feature=0 uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 2: input=5, output=0, feature=4 vscsi0 at root scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets root on wd0a (ba19a784a4118cce.a) swap on wd0b dump on wd0b Any sugestions as to what to try? BTW, I do not even see the ernel boot messages, not the BIOS boot messages from this amchine, after this install. If I catch it in the BIOS and select the CD, I can see the kernel, and subsequen messages when I reboot from the OpenBSD CD. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?