I agree with Cody. And I encourage all the OpenBSD developers. You are doing a great work. Im triying to learn C by my self but its a bit complicated hahaha. Greetings from Spain El 19/06/2012 21:24, "cody chandler" <cody.a.chand...@gmail.com> escribió:
> Hello, > > > I'm not a Developer, Maintainer or anything else. Strictly a user. > > 1. Thank you to all the Developers who take time to make a product and > frankly give a dam about the work and quality of it. ( Wish car makers did > the same! ) > > 2. Even though I am not a Developer or fully understand what is going on. > Taking time to send an email out of respect to a person or persons > generally cause less grief. At least in my experience.. No matter how > hurtful the truth is. Truth is truth and things can heal when all is > placed on the table. > > 3. If/When this Fork comes out I may give it a test run but all the points > each of you have made will make me rethink and read more before I do. > > 4. The short time I've been around. Theo.. Thank you for being you! > Speaking your mind and keeping track. I would ask if you are ex-military > but that does not matter. You give a dam about a project that is your baby > and keep things in the right. Strong opinionated but very fair and level > on your thoughts. > > That's my cent of thoughts. OBSD is my main OS and will continue to be! > Even when I want to shoot my self in the foot when I don't understand how > to do something at the 3rd time round reading the man page. Taking C > classes now and at some point I hope to give back with more then monetary > donations instead of lurking. > > Thank you > Cody > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org > >wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59:16AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > Ariane wants to be involved as well, but is still waiting to > > > > see how others in the project feel. > > > > > > I've changed from waiting to being involved. > > > > > > And in Theo's interest in breaking secrecy: I've stepped down from > > > maintaining uvm. Why? Politics between me and Theo. > > > > About 2 weeks ago ariane came to me privately to say this: > > > > 1) That 4 weeks ago she had become aware the fork did in fact exist, > > counter to previous assertions all the people now working on bitrig > > had gotten from their boss Marco. > > 2) Had _just_ now decided to mention it to me. > > 3) Also _just now_ had decided to on a desire to work on on both > projects. > > 4) Want to know if this would be ok; if there would be consequences. > > > > And finally: > > > > 5) For the last 4 weeks had been too busy to tell us, working 12 hour > days. > > > > I said I would not decide, but to ask all the developers. > > > > However, instantly I recognized that the last part (5), about having > > too busy to tell us, was not truthful. > > > > The truth is, ariane did not tell us because of _fear_. And I can > > understand that, there are many people upset to various levels about > > these happenings. However, wrapping that up in a lie about having > > been too busy is a not good. Those 4 weeks were spent mulling over > > whether to be part of that fork and how to tell us, not by being too > > busy with work. > > > > Therefore, ariane, I do not believe that you found out something so > > politically big, sat on it for 4 weeks because of being too busy, and > > then suddenly decide to disclose it and the desire to be part of it. > > > > And that is not political. I feel that I (and others in the project) > > have been lied to in that part. > > > > > I'm unhappy > > > with how the situation of the fork was handled. > > > > The situation of the fork was handled entirely by Marco Peereboom -- > > your boss. > > > > > I've been collateral in > > > the whole matter twice and taken it in stride. > > > > Yes, we are all blameless. Especially people at that company, who all > > claim they got too busy to tell others that they were too busy. > > > > > I've expressed interest > > > in the fork and am now suspect/tainted. > > > > Certainly you are: You misled us. > > > > > Third time's the charm. > > > Discussions between me and Theo now trigger anger with both of us, > > > which is not conducive to OpenBSD or our fellow developers. > > > > I was not angry in my mail -- I was truthful and exact. > > > > A diff was sent which adds a non-standard flag to mmap() to accelerate > > realloc() performance. For years the project has had an attitude that > > adding extensions to standardized system calls should be a last > > resort. Rather than discuss this with developers, ariane went and > > spent time, and then mailed in a diff -- asking only for an OK. Not > > requesting the start of a larger discussion, but only asking for an > > OK. > > > > In a reply to that diff, I > > > > (1) explained my continued reluctance for such non-standard flags. > > > > (2) I also explained that this was a poor time to put such changes > > into the tree with a coming hackathon, followed by the lock to our > > next release soon after. > > > > (3) I also then explained that due to recent events (recently two, > > serious repairs had to be made to ariane's uvm changes without ariane > > being around), I am pessimistic about the commitment level for such > > big changes in the tree. Normally a way around this is to test them > > as uncommited diffs in the snapshot builds, but I only do that for > > people who I totally trust (one reason is that mistakes can be quite > > costly, as I can damage 12 build environments in one go), and quite > > frankly, I do not trust Ariane nearly as much as before. > > > > At that point, Ariane got seriously angry, and has now resigned. > > > > > I cannot commit to uvm under those circumstances. > > > > Unfortunate.
