Hi,
*1) Thehttps://openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html <https://openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html>is redirecting to http://www.obtuse.com/ <http://www.obtuse.com/>why? HTTPS should work properly or it shouldn't be there.Word.Rather than contributing just some outdated sang, you could have donesomething useful, like helping to troubleshoot why the redirect was happening.------------------------------------* umm, the user gets a page where it can click to reach obtuse.com Word. -> ? let me get access to the server running openbsdfoundation.orgvia SSH and I will do it: - generate a new SSL cert (the current one expired at 2009) and use https://www.startssl.com/ to get it working without wrong SSL warning (freely) in the webbrowsers - configure apache ########################################### *3) Are there any subscriptions too or there are only one-time donations?I would do a subscription if it were possible, but the amount has to be entirely of my own choosing. Paypal certainly does offer recurring payments, so there is no reason not to offer them to people willing to support the project.------------------------------------* with this, I meant the status of it, it's great to have subscribtion too, we all know that, but what is the ratio between them? just a little info about the currect status, is it hopeless or already passed the $20000? update: whops, I didn't read the previous mails, Theo already said this: "I am not going to disclose the actual numbers here." - well, hokay.. I belive in causality (cause<->effect) so there is a reason why he isn't doing that. So let's get some info: Suppose if a donator is on the donations page one time, it will stay there (? I am wrong or not?): The firs mail about funding came at 2013-12-17 18:20:48 - http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=138730448307723 The second mail came at 2013-12-21 0:08:26 - http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=138758456722860&w=2 http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/donations.html -->> current: Sat Jan 18 16:37:37 2014 UTC old, before the mails: Thu Dec 12 18:03:28 2013 UTC [user@localhost ~] grep '^</li><li>' old-Donations\ to\ OpenBSD.html > old.txt [user@localhost ~] grep '^</li><li>' current-Donations\ to\ OpenBSD.html > current.txt [user@localhost ~] wc -l old.txt 4779 old.txt [user@localhost ~] wc -l current.txt 4773 current.txt [user@localhost ~] Hopefully there weren't just 6 people who donated, these are only the people who wanted their names on the donations.html (?) Just on ycombinator ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069889 ) there were 401 comments and 798 "ups" and 17 donated: [user@localhost ~] lynx -source https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069889| grep -i donated | wc -l 17 [user@localhost ~] on nixcraft facebook page: ( https://www.facebook.com/nixcraft ) there were 209 "likes" and 307 shares, 1 person said in the comments "donated" so we have (calculating with ex.: 20 CAD/person ) 6+17+1 = 24*20= 480 CAD from the 20000 ? - this is only public and not "trusty" data. :) On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Christopher Ahrens <n...@leviacomm.net>wrote: > MJ wrote: > >> On 18 Jan 2014, at 20.01, Desktop User OpenBSD < >> openbsd.desktop.u...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >>> >>> I would love to subscribe to the monthly donation on: >>> >>> http://openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html >>> >>> but I need to ask, say a few things before: >>> >>> 1) The >>> https://openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html >>> is redirecting to http://www.obtuse.com/ >>> why? HTTPS should work properly or it shouldn't be there. >>> >> >> Word. >> > > Rather than contributing just some outdated sang, you could have done > something useful, like helping to troubleshoot why the redirect was > happening. > > Speaking of, both sites reside on the same IP, so its probably that the > browser being used or a proxy in between doesn't play nicely with > virtual hosts and tries to connect by raw IP and that obtuse.com comes > first in httpd.conf for that IP address. > > >> 2) What is the status of the funding? The CAD$(?) 20,000? >>> >> >> 3) Are there any subscriptions too or there are only one-time donations? >>> >>> >> I would do a subscription if it were possible, but the amount has to be >> entirely of my own choosing. Paypal certainly does offer recurring >> payments, so there is no reason not to offer them to people willing >> to support the project. >> >> > There *is* the possibility of recurring donations (either the first > result of doing an internet search for 'OpenBSD recurring donations' or > just following the link in the email you replied to, just after the > sender asks about why it wasn't working for them. > > > 4) Could Theo or anyone from the OpenBSD team contact any vendors, or has >>> the project any bigger subscription donator already? >>> >>> >> Again, and I really need to highlight this: when the project >> comes to the position that it is asking for money or die, then >> the project is also in a requirement to provide financial >> transparency. >> > > Why do we need transparency? Is that so you can nit-pick every expense? > And requirement by whom exactly? Because last I checked, Theo doesn't > report to you, nor does anyone else around here. > > > If money is the question, then a mailing list isnât the answer >> - this is 2014 and most of the world couldnât give a flying shit >> > > about email anymore > > Pray tell us, what people are these that you are talking about? > Although I suspect that by 'people' you mean 'me'. > > (and if I can additionallystick in a side comment regarding >> > > antiquity, then give up the FTP already - itâs a dinosaur, > >> itâs unnecessarily complex, and it serves no specific purpose when >> > > HTTP is available.) > > No, http is the dinosaur, what with the relatively huge overhead it > requires compared to ftp for file transfers, do you want to make us > use more power? It isn't even complex, at least not for someone who > can read > > > 5) If something would happen to Theo (which __I don't want or wish__), who >>> would be the project leader? Son or daughter? Or any lead developers? Are >>> there any plans for this? >>> In the book: Absolute OpenBSD (2nd) which came out at April of 2013 says >>> only one sentence about this: >>> "Theo takes whatever actions necessary to keep the OpenBSD Project >>> running >>> smoothly. If something should ever happen to Theo, the project does have >>> plans for replacing him.â >>> >> >> Maybe Michael knows something that we donât as the result of an evening >> full of beers together with the core team. According to Wikipedia, Theo >> is only a year and a half younger than me, so heâs still got at least >> 30 years in front of him barring accidental death or an incurable tumor. >> > > Or maybe one of these days he gets tired of idiots and leaves the > project? > > > Corporate attitude likes to propagate the attitude that none of us are >> indispensable, but the fact is that unless you are a java coder and by >> default travelling down the Ho Chi Min trail then you are also >> indispensable. Friends donât let friends code Java. Period. >> >> > You keep using the word 'indespensible', I don't think it means what you > think it means... > > Remove the double negatives and you'll see why that sentence doesn't > make a lick of sense. Also, are you seriously comparing writing Java to > a reprehensible series of war-crimes? I may be a sociopath(your word, not > mine) but even I know that is something you don't do.
