After upgrading to 7.4, my pine64-lts box failed to boot bsd.mp on
two out of two tries, with an identical panic message both times:
(see below for full (u-boot + kernel + ddb) boot log of the panic
and dmesg from bsd.sp which does boot)
--------
panic: uvm_fault: fault on non-pageable map (0xffffff80012dbd48, 0xffffff8007f7
d000)
Stopped at panic+0x164: cmp w21, #0x0
TID PID UID PRFLAGS PFLAGS CPU COMMAND
459227 91515 0 0x14000 0x200 3 update
*165810 5998 0 0x14000 0x200 2K cleaner
8700 14349 0 0x14000 0x200 1 reaper
0 0 0 0x10000 0x200 0 swapper
db_enter() at panic+0x160
panic() at uvm_fault_check+0x5e0
uvm_fault_check() at uvm_fault+0xd4
uvm_fault() at kdata_abort+0xd0
kdata_abort() at handle_el1h_sync+0x6c
handle_el1h_sync() at comopen+0x578
comopen() at proc_trampoline+0x4
https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html describes the minimum info required in bug
reports. Insufficient info makes it difficult to find and fix bugs.
ddb{2}> trace
db_enter() at panic+0x160
panic() at uvm_fault_check+0x5e0
uvm_fault_check() at uvm_fault+0xd4
uvm_fault() at kdata_abort+0xd0
kdata_abort() at handle_el1h_sync+0x6c
handle_el1h_sync() at comopen+0x578
comopen() at proc_trampoline+0x4
ddb{2}> machine ddbcpu 0
--------
ddb doesn't come back after I say 'machine ddbcpu 0', it just hung
there until I ran out of patience and power cycled (identical
behavior in both tries), which makes it impossible to collect traces
from the other CPUs as recommended by ddb.html. The only differences
between the panic messages are the TID and PID values in the ps
listing; the values in the panic message itself and the backtrace
match exactly.
The upgrade kernel, bsd.rd, and bsd.sp all boot without problems.
What other information is worth collecting here? Anything I should
try to see if there's a way to fix it without a kernel patch?
Thanks,
dave
serial console log of the full boot + panic with bsd.mp:
--------
U-Boot SPL 2021.10 (Apr 09 2022 - 20:52:48 -0600)
DRAM: 2048 MiB
Trying to boot from MMC2
NOTICE: BL31: v2.5(debug):2.5
NOTICE: BL31: Built : 16:26:47, Apr 9 2022
NOTICE: BL31: Detected Allwinner A64/H64/R18 SoC (1689)
NOTICE: BL31: Found U-Boot DTB at 0x4097d10, model: Pine64 LTS
INFO: ARM GICv2 driver initialized
INFO: Configuring SPC Controller
INFO: PMIC: Probing AXP803 on RSB
INFO: PMIC: dcdc1 voltage: 3.300V
INFO: PMIC: dcdc5 voltage: 1.200V
INFO: PMIC: dcdc6 voltage: 1.100V
INFO: PMIC: dldo1 voltage: 3.300V
INFO: PMIC: dldo2 voltage: 3.300V
INFO: PMIC: dldo4 voltage: 3.300V
INFO: PMIC: fldo1 voltage: 1.200V
INFO: PMIC: Enabling DC SW
INFO: BL31: Platform setup done
INFO: BL31: Initializing runtime services
INFO: BL31: cortex_a53: CPU workaround for 843419 was applied
INFO: BL31: cortex_a53: CPU workaround for 855873 was applied
INFO: BL31: cortex_a53: CPU workaround for 1530924 was applied
INFO: PSCI: Suspend is unavailable
INFO: BL31: Preparing for EL3 exit to normal world
INFO: Entry point address = 0x4a000000
INFO: SPSR = 0x3c9
U-Boot 2021.10 (Apr 09 2022 - 20:52:48 -0600) Allwinner Technology
CPU: Allwinner A64 (SUN50I)
Model: Pine64 LTS
DRAM: 2 GiB
MMC: mmc@1c0f000: 0, mmc@1c11000: 1
Loading Environment from FAT... Unable to read "uboot.env" from mmc1:1... In:
serial
Out: vidconsole
Err: vidconsole
Net: phy interface8
eth0: ethernet@1c30000
starting USB...
Bus usb@1c1a000: USB EHCI 1.00
Bus usb@1c1a400: USB OHCI 1.0
Bus usb@1c1b000: USB EHCI 1.00
Bus usb@1c1b400: USB OHCI 1.0
scanning bus usb@1c1a000 for devices... 1 USB Device(s) found
scanning bus usb@1c1a400 for devices... 1 USB Device(s) found
scanning bus usb@1c1b000 for devices... 5 USB Device(s) found
scanning bus usb@1c1b400 for devices... 1 USB Device(s) found
scanning usb for storage devices... 1 Storage Device(s) found
Hit any key to stop autoboot: 2 1 0
switch to partitions #0, OK
mmc1(part 0) is current device
Scanning mmc 1:1...
28618 bytes read in 3 ms (9.1 MiB/s)
7[r[999;999H[6n8Card did not respond to voltage select! : -110
Scanning disk m...@1c0f000.blk...
Disk m...@1c0f000.blk not ready
Scanning disk m...@1c11000.blk...
Scanning disk usb_mass_storage.lun0...
Disk usb_mass_storage.lun0 not ready
Found 3 disks
No EFI system partition
BootOrder not defined
EFI boot manager: Cannot load any image
Found EFI removable media binary efi/boot/bootaa64.efi
219050 bytes read in 7 ms (29.8 MiB/s)
Booting /efi\boot\bootaa64.efi
disks: sd0*
>> OpenBSD/arm64 BOOTAA64 1.18
|/-\|/-\|/boot>
-\|/-\|/-\booting sd0a:/bsd:
|/-\|/10659816-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/+2522120-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/+296760-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\+849688|
[789483/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/+91+1219896-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\+731575|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|]=0x13b5490
[ using 2741824 bytes of bsd ELF symbol table ]
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 1995-2023 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. https://www.OpenBSD.org
OpenBSD 7.4 (GENERIC.MP) #2273: Tue Oct 10 09:45:06 MDT 2023
dera...@arm64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/arm64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 2027782144 (1933MB)
avail mem = 1928839168 (1839MB)
random: good seed from bootblocks
mainbus0 at root: Pine64 LTS
psci0 at mainbus0: PSCI 1.1, SMCCC 1.2
efi0 at mainbus0: UEFI 2.8
efi0: Das U-Boot rev 0x20211000
smbios0 at efi0: SMBIOS 3.0
smbios0: vendor U-Boot version "2021.10" date 10/01/2021
smbios0: Unknown Unknown Product
cpu0 at mainbus0 mpidr 0: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4
cpu0: 32KB 64b/line 2-way L1 VIPT I-cache, 32KB 64b/line 4-way L1 D-cache
cpu0: 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: CRC32,SHA2,SHA1,AES+PMULL,ASID16
cpu1 at mainbus0 mpidr 1: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4
cpu1: 32KB 64b/line 2-way L1 VIPT I-cache, 32KB 64b/line 4-way L1 D-cache
cpu1: 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu1: CRC32,SHA2,SHA1,AES+PMULL,ASID16
cpu2 at mainbus0 mpidr 2: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4
cpu2: 32KB 64b/line 2-way L1 VIPT I-cache, 32KB 64b/line 4-way L1 D-cache
cpu2: 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu2: CRC32,SHA2,SHA1,AES+PMULL,ASID16
cpu3 at mainbus0 mpidr 3: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4
cpu3: 32KB 64b/line 2-way L1 VIPT I-cache, 32KB 64b/line 4-way L1 D-cache
cpu3: 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu3: CRC32,SHA2,SHA1,AES+PMULL,ASID16
apm0 at mainbus0
"display-engine" at mainbus0 not configured
"osc24M_clk" at mainbus0 not configured
"osc32k_clk" at mainbus0 not configured
"pmu" at mainbus0 not configured
simpleaudio0 at mainbus0
agtimer0 at mainbus0: 24000 kHz
simplebus0 at mainbus0: "soc"
sxisyscon0 at simplebus0
sxisid0 at simplebus0
sxiccmu0 at simplebus0
sxipio0 at simplebus0: 103 pins
ampintc0 at simplebus0 nirq 224, ncpu 4 ipi: 0, 1, 2: "interrupt-controller"
sxirtc0 at simplebus0
sxiccmu1 at simplebus0
sxipio1 at simplebus0: 13 pins
sxirsb0 at simplebus0
axppmic0 at sxirsb0 addr 0x3a3: AXP803
"bus" at simplebus0 not configured
"dma-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"lcd-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"lcd-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"video-codec" at simplebus0 not configured
sximmc0 at simplebus0
sdmmc0 at sximmc0: 4-bit, sd high-speed, mmc high-speed, dma
sximmc1 at simplebus0
sdmmc1 at sximmc1: 8-bit, sd high-speed, mmc high-speed, dma
"crypto" at simplebus0 not configured
"mailbox" at simplebus0 not configured
"usb" at simplebus0 not configured
"phy" at simplebus0 not configured
ehci0 at simplebus0
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00
addr 1
ohci0 at simplebus0: version 1.0
ehci1 at simplebus0
usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00
addr 1
ohci1 at simplebus0: version 1.0
"timer" at simplebus0 not configured
sxidog0 at simplebus0
"dai" at simplebus0 not configured
"codec" at simplebus0 not configured
sxitemp0 at simplebus0
com0 at simplebus0: dw16550
com0: console
"spi" at simplebus0 not configured
dwxe0 at simplebus0: address 02:bc:b8:a1:ec:e9
rgephy0 at dwxe0 phy 1: RTL8169S/8110S/8211 PHY, rev. 5
"gpu" at simplebus0 not configured
"dram-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"deinterlace" at simplebus0 not configured
"hdmi" at simplebus0 not configured
"hdmi-phy" at simplebus0 not configured
sxirintc0 at simplebus0
"codec-analog" at simplebus0 not configured
gpio0 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio1 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio2 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio3 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio4 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio5 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio6 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio7 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio8 at sxipio1: 32 pins
usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00
addr 1
usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00
addr 1
"opp_table0" at mainbus0 not configured
"hdmi-connector" at mainbus0 not configured
"vcc1v8" at mainbus0 not configured
gpioleds0 at mainbus0: no LEDs
simplefb0 at mainbus0: 1920x1080, 32bpp
wsdisplay0 at simplefb0 mux 1
wsdisplay0: screen 0-5 added (std, vt100 emulation)
sdmmc0: can't enable card
scsibus0 at sdmmc1: 2 targets, initiator 0
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <SD/MMC, NCard, 0000> removable
sd0: 59000MB, 512 bytes/sector, 120832000 sectors
uhub4 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "VIA Labs, Inc. USB2.0 Hub"
rev 2.10/2.14 addr 2
umass0 at uhub4 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "ASMT ASMT105x" rev
2.10/1.00 addr 3
umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0
sd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <WDC WD40, EFAX-68JH4N1, 0>
serial.174c55aa234567890126
sd1: 3815447MB, 512 bytes/sector, 7814037168 sectors
uhidev0 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Unicomp Endura Pro
Keyboard" rev 1.10/43.34 addr 4
uhidev0: iclass 3/1
ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 variable keys, 6 key codes
wskbd0 at ukbd0 mux 1
wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
uhidev1 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "Unicomp Endura Pro
Keyboard" rev 1.10/43.34 addr 4
uhidev1: iclass 3/1, 3 report ids
ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 1: 3 buttons, Z dir
wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
ucc0 at uhidev1 reportid 2: 573 usages, 20 keys, array
wskbd1 at ucc0 mux 1
wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0
uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 3: input=1, output=0, feature=0
uhidev2 at uhub4 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "Logitech USB Laser Mouse"
rev 2.00/56.01 addr 5
uhidev2: iclass 3/1
ums1 at uhidev2: 8 buttons, Z and W dir
wsmouse1 at ums1 mux 0
vscsi0 at root
scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets
root on sd0a (823130ad660d9ca0.a) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
panic: uvm_fault: fault on non-pageable map (0xffffff80012dbd48, 0xffffff8007f7
d000)
Stopped at panic+0x164: cmp w21, #0x0
TID PID UID PRFLAGS PFLAGS CPU COMMAND
459227 91515 0 0x14000 0x200 3 update
*165810 5998 0 0x14000 0x200 2K cleaner
8700 14349 0 0x14000 0x200 1 reaper
0 0 0 0x10000 0x200 0 swapper
db_enter() at panic+0x160
panic() at uvm_fault_check+0x5e0
uvm_fault_check() at uvm_fault+0xd4
uvm_fault() at kdata_abort+0xd0
kdata_abort() at handle_el1h_sync+0x6c
handle_el1h_sync() at comopen+0x578
comopen() at proc_trampoline+0x4
https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html describes the minimum info required in bug
reports. Insufficient info makes it difficult to find and fix bugs.
ddb{2}> trace
db_enter() at panic+0x160
panic() at uvm_fault_check+0x5e0
uvm_fault_check() at uvm_fault+0xd4
uvm_fault() at kdata_abort+0xd0
kdata_abort() at handle_el1h_sync+0x6c
handle_el1h_sync() at comopen+0x578
comopen() at proc_trampoline+0x4
ddb{2}> machine ddbcpu 0
--------
bsd.sp dmesg:
--------
OpenBSD 7.4 (GENERIC) #321: Tue Oct 10 09:15:09 MDT 2023
dera...@arm64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/arm64/compile/GENERIC
real mem = 2027782144 (1933MB)
avail mem = 1928851456 (1839MB)
random: boothowto does not indicate good seed
mainbus0 at root: Pine64 LTS
psci0 at mainbus0: PSCI 1.1, SMCCC 1.2
efi0 at mainbus0: UEFI 2.8
efi0: Das U-Boot rev 0x20211000
smbios0 at efi0: SMBIOS 3.0
smbios0: vendor U-Boot version "2021.10" date 10/01/2021
smbios0: Unknown Unknown Product
cpu0 at mainbus0 mpidr 0: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4
cpu0: 32KB 64b/line 2-way L1 VIPT I-cache, 32KB 64b/line 4-way L1 D-cache
cpu0: 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: CRC32,SHA2,SHA1,AES+PMULL,ASID16
apm0 at mainbus0
"display-engine" at mainbus0 not configured
"osc24M_clk" at mainbus0 not configured
"osc32k_clk" at mainbus0 not configured
"pmu" at mainbus0 not configured
simpleaudio0 at mainbus0
agtimer0 at mainbus0: 24000 kHz
simplebus0 at mainbus0: "soc"
sxisyscon0 at simplebus0
sxisid0 at simplebus0
sxiccmu0 at simplebus0
sxipio0 at simplebus0: 103 pins
ampintc0 at simplebus0 nirq 224, ncpu 4: "interrupt-controller"
sxirtc0 at simplebus0
sxiccmu1 at simplebus0
sxipio1 at simplebus0: 13 pins
sxirsb0 at simplebus0
axppmic0 at sxirsb0 addr 0x3a3: AXP803
"bus" at simplebus0 not configured
"dma-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"lcd-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"lcd-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"video-codec" at simplebus0 not configured
sximmc0 at simplebus0
sdmmc0 at sximmc0: 4-bit, sd high-speed, mmc high-speed, dma
sximmc1 at simplebus0
sdmmc1 at sximmc1: 8-bit, sd high-speed, mmc high-speed, dma
"crypto" at simplebus0 not configured
"mailbox" at simplebus0 not configured
"usb" at simplebus0 not configured
"phy" at simplebus0 not configured
ehci0 at simplebus0
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00
addr 1
ohci0 at simplebus0: version 1.0
ehci1 at simplebus0
usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00
addr 1
ohci1 at simplebus0: version 1.0
"timer" at simplebus0 not configured
sxidog0 at simplebus0
"dai" at simplebus0 not configured
"codec" at simplebus0 not configured
sxitemp0 at simplebus0
com0 at simplebus0: dw16550
com0: console
"spi" at simplebus0 not configured
dwxe0 at simplebus0: address 02:bc:b8:a1:ec:e9
rgephy0 at dwxe0 phy 1: RTL8169S/8110S/8211 PHY, rev. 5
"gpu" at simplebus0 not configured
"dram-controller" at simplebus0 not configured
"deinterlace" at simplebus0 not configured
"hdmi" at simplebus0 not configured
"hdmi-phy" at simplebus0 not configured
sxirintc0 at simplebus0
"codec-analog" at simplebus0 not configured
gpio0 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio1 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio2 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio3 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio4 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio5 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio6 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio7 at sxipio0: 32 pins
gpio8 at sxipio1: 32 pins
usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00
addr 1
usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 configuration 1 interface 0 "Generic OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00
addr 1
"opp_table0" at mainbus0 not configured
"hdmi-connector" at mainbus0 not configured
"vcc1v8" at mainbus0 not configured
gpioleds0 at mainbus0: no LEDs
simplefb0 at mainbus0: 1920x1080, 32bpp
wsdisplay0 at simplefb0 mux 1
wsdisplay0: screen 0-5 added (std, vt100 emulation)
sdmmc0: can't enable card
scsibus0 at sdmmc1: 2 targets, initiator 0
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <SD/MMC, NCard, 0000> removable
sd0: 59000MB, 512 bytes/sector, 120832000 sectors
uhub4 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "VIA Labs, Inc. USB2.0 Hub"
rev 2.10/2.14 addr 2
umass0 at uhub4 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "ASMT ASMT105x" rev
2.10/1.00 addr 3
umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0
sd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <WDC WD40, EFAX-68JH4N1, 0>
serial.174c55aa234567890126
sd1: 3815447MB, 512 bytes/sector, 7814037168 sectors
uhidev0 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 "Unicomp Endura Pro
Keyboard" rev 1.10/43.34 addr 4
uhidev0: iclass 3/1
ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 variable keys, 6 key codes
wskbd0 at ukbd0 mux 1
wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
uhidev1 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "Unicomp Endura Pro
Keyboard" rev 1.10/43.34 addr 4
uhidev1: iclass 3/1, 3 report ids
ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 1: 3 buttons, Z dir
wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
ucc0 at uhidev1 reportid 2: 573 usages, 20 keys, array
wskbd1 at ucc0 mux 1
wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0
uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 3: input=1, output=0, feature=0
uhidev2 at uhub4 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "Logitech USB Laser Mouse"
rev 2.00/56.01 addr 5
uhidev2: iclass 3/1
ums1 at uhidev2: 8 buttons, Z and W dir
wsmouse1 at ums1 mux 0
vscsi0 at root
scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets
root on sd0a (823130ad660d9ca0.a) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
--------
--
Dave Vandervies
dj3va...@terse.ca
Plan your future! Make God laugh!
