Well, which would you prefer, Peter?  I've had systems that have
had their power yanked from them several times now, and I've
yet to have seen a screwed filesystem. Yes, files created or
deleted with 30(?) seconds of the outage might be inconsisten
or whatever, I'll take that any day over a damaged filesystem.

I think there are bugs in the softdep code.  I know of one really
busy system that has crashed because of softdeps being on,
but only one and I've never been able to pin it down.  I would
say it works well and gets better with each release.

--STeve Andre'

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 12:03:40 Peter Fraser wrote:
> I did read the papers. There is a difference between the file
> system being screwed and data lost. Softupdates hopefully stops
> the files system from being in a bad state, but it is amazing
> how much user data can be lost on a power failure while using
> softupdates.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of mickey
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: Peter Fraser
> Cc: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Softupdates question
>
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:45:15AM -0400, Peter Fraser wrote:
> > I had always assumed the use of softupdates was safe as long
> > as you could have reasonable assurances that the machine would
> > not be shutdown without warning. (i.e. no loss of power or reset
> > being hit).
> >
> > So if you had a UPS, good hardware, and no vandals it's good to use.
>
> actually if you bother to read the papers
> whole idea behind softdeps is to ensure better recoverability
> from crashes/power/etc.
> cu
> --
>     paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has
> remained)

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