The agenda is to get government back into protecting the rights that have been bestowed upon us, NOT for government to define them.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tina Yearack <tmyear...@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I just wish I had time to do all of the research that you and Jim > Hornaday do, Tom......you guys are amazing!! I usually don't like relying > on information from other people; I like to find out for myself. But, I > feel like the information that you guys bring to the table is > well-researched, and accurate. At this point, I see no political agenda or > self-serving motives here, which is nice. > > Blessings from our house to yours! > Tina Y. > > > "Cause I'm letting go of everything I am; and I'm holding on to everything > You are..." from "All in (letting go)" by TobyMac > > Tina Yearack > Staff Accountant > Certified QuickBooks ProAdvisor > Stufflebam CPA Group > 1650 S. Enterprise > Springfield, MO 65804 > (417) 882-2273 (office) > (417) 882-0644 (fax) > (417) 880-1501 (cell) > > ***********Stufflebam CPA Group, PC Confidentiality Footer ****** > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible > for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or > deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy > this message, and notify us immediately. If you or your employer does > not consent to Internet email messages of this kind, please advise us > immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in > this message are not given or endorsed by my firm or employer unless > otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this > message. > > Any tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or > written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose > of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue > Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: > missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]*on Behalf Of *Tom Martz > *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2009 10:50 AM > *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Debate on the value and/or priority of installing Wayfinder > Signs in Springfield > > I believe Gary Deaver said it best when he said he would ask out of towners > down at BPS what they were going to do next and the vast majority said EAT @ > LAMBERT'S. This tells me that Lambert's is doing a wonderful job of > advertising and word of mouth advertising. The city of Ozark is NOT doing > it for them. > > In this election we have voices of reason against the ECHOES of higher > taxation and wasteful spending. The people will determine if Springfield > continues to slide into debt oblivian. > > tom > > p.s. Tina your words are great to read keep posting insightful thoughts > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Tina Yearack <tmyear...@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > >> >> In the REAL WORLD, (and it terrifies me to think of how far our city, >> state, >> and federal governments have ventured AWAY from REAL WORLD strategies) >> when >> ordinary, every people, businessmen (most of them, anyway) run into a >> crisis >> like this, (and, in my opinion, this is a 5-alarm fire) you put ALL the >> cash >> on the table (designated, not designated, etc.), and you look at what you >> have. And you come up with a CHANGE to your already-created budget THAT >> MAKES SENSE, and maximizes the cash you have. Is this really that hard? >> If >> it's really that hard and complicated, then something is VERY WRONG. >> >> When I was teaching high school, we received monies from the state that >> HAD >> to be spent on certain types of equipment. Never mind that we needed >> something that didn't fall into their guidelines. So, after 6 years, I >> ended up with equipment that I didn't need, and I was spending my own >> money >> to buy the stuff that the state wouldn't provide because it didn't "fit" >> in >> with their mandates. How crazy is that???? >> >> To spend money just for the sake of spending money, and to "prove" somehow >> that the Council keeps its word, and will lose its credibility if it >> doesn't >> follow through with something that the voters approved YEARS ago (OK, it >> was >> only two or three, but seems like a lifetime after what's happened with >> our >> economy) is just plain irresponsible. Whatever happened to good >> old-fashioned common sense? Actually, I don't think anyone's common sense >> has gone out the window. I just think that it's been overtaken by good >> old-fashioned greed. >> >> The motives by which our Council and its supporters have operated >> absolutely >> take my breath away. There is no motive for doing what's best for our >> city. >> It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or camping out at city hall every day, >> to see that. >> >> >> >> "Cause I'm letting go of everything I am; and I'm holding on to everything >> You are..." from "All in (letting go)" by TobyMac >> >> Tina Yearack >> Staff Accountant >> Certified QuickBooks ProAdvisor >> Stufflebam CPA Group >> 1650 S. Enterprise >> Springfield, MO 65804 >> (417) 882-2273 (office) >> (417) 882-0644 (fax) >> (417) 880-1501 (cell) >> >> ***********Stufflebam CPA Group, PC Confidentiality Footer ****** >> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. >> If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible >> for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or >> deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy >> this message, and notify us immediately. If you or your employer does >> not consent to Internet email messages of this kind, please advise us >> immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in >> this message are not given or endorsed by my firm or employer unless >> otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this >> message. >> >> Any tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or >> written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose >> of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue >> Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Matthew >> Block >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:05 PM >> To: missourilibertycoalition >> Subject: Re: Debate on the value and/or priority of installing Wayfinder >> Signs in Springfield >> >> >> >> My point is that saying "Don't do this!" is not nearly as convincing >> as saying "Do this instead". If you want to convince council that >> their priorities are wrong, you have to provide alternatives. >> Otherwise they'll just look at you like a whiner (whether or not your >> protest is justified). >> >> The naming of more important CIP projects IS NOT USELESS. The CIP >> money exists and has been collected and should be applied to >> something; otherwise we've been taxed for nothing. If you intend to >> convince council (or anyone) to not spend the money on signs, you need >> to be able to point at something else to spend it on. >> >> I completely understand and am also frustrated by the irresponsible >> pension decisions, but CIP money cannot be mingled with anything >> else. So the pension troubles have nothing to do with this issue. >> >> On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, "James Hornaday Jr." <rail...@sbcglobal.net> >> wrote: >> > Matthew: >> > >> > I think you have little understanding of the frustration OTHER citizens >> feel when they see the City run the police/fireman's pension into the >> ground, and then watch the same council people authorize starting a >> $683,000 >> capital improvement project that does NOTHING for addressing the city's >> core >> needs. I don't think anyone has violent objections to installing these >> signs. It's just that the administration and council have warped >> priorities, >> and spending money now when they don't have it is something they just have >> to do. Do you have any idea as to how many Council approved projects are >> intended to be funded by sale of bonds? That's the same as you and I >> putting a big purchase on a credit card. >> > >> > Hey, there are 70 street, sanitary sewer, and stormwater projects in >> the >> Council approved 2009-2014 CIP listing. If you are so all fired eager to >> name a better priority project out of those projects compared to the >> Wayfinder Signs, do it! I don't want to imagine what specific project you >> think might be more important. >> > >> > The naming of or debate over what might be a 'better' CIP project is >> kind >> of useless. We just had a demonstration of the city's thinking Monday >> night >> that shows us Council's priorities - - and we think their priorities >> stink! The city hasn't learned the meaning of the word "NO!" yet. They >> think they can continue spending spending spending. The council members >> that >> voted FOR the Wayfinding Signs will ultimately regret their votes. >> > >> > Jim Hornaday >> > >> > Re: What might be a better priority CIP than Wayfinder Signs? >> > >> > Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:13 PM >> > >> > From: >> > >> > "Matthew Block" <matthewpbl...@gmail.com> >> > >> > To: >> > >> > "missourilibertycoalition" >> <missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com> >> > >> > Why did this end up on a new thread?? I wanted to see the original >> > argument strengthened because the original post was rather weak. A >> > reply to the original discussion would have made much more sense. I'm >> > not trying to take sides here, but I would like to show why the >> > council members haven't been influenced by these arguments. >> > >> > Even this reply is hardly convincing. Could any of these projects >> > listed be completed for the same price as these wayfinding signs? Are >> > any of these projects going to bring more business to town? >> > >> > How important wayfinding signs are in general is something worth >> > debating, but tough economic times make them more important rather >> > than less. This argument that the timing is wrong is completely >> > misguided. If you don't want to try to pull people in when times are >> > tight, why would you bother when things are already going well. If >> > we're going to do this, now would be the best time. Like I said >> > though, whether or not we want to do this is worth debating. >> > >> > On Feb 24, 2:07 pm, "James Hornaday Jr." <rail...@sbcglobal.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > From: >> > >> > > "Matthew Block" <matthewpbl...@gmail.com> >> > >> > > To: >> > >> > > "missourilibertycoalition" >> <missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com> >> > >> > > What on the list of capital improvements should be moved ahead of the >> > > Wayfinding signs in priority? >> > > You talked about prioritizing, but didn't name any projects that >> > > should be a higher priority. >> > > Unless there is something this money could be used for that is a >> > > higher priority, why wouldn't we move ahead with the signs? >> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> > > Good question Mathew. >> > >> > > For starters on selecting another 'better' priority for spending >> taxpayers' capital money, how about: >> > >> > 1) any road project that would make it easier for people to drive >> > around town? We can pick from 28 council approved CIP projects. >> > >> > >> > >> > > 2) any storm sewer project that would keep a neighborhood or street >> > > from flooding the next time we have a 3 inch rain? # council approved >> > > CIP projects = 23. Pick one. >> > >> > > 3) any sanitary sewer system improvement that would keep the nasty >> > > stuff flowing down hill and being treated properly before release, so >> > > that it meets DNR and the EPA regulations? # council approved CIP >> > > projects = 23. Pick one. >> > >> > > 4) any side walk improvement program that would allow school kids to >> > > stay OUT of streets as they are walking to and from school. # council >> > > approved projects = 4. Pick one. >> > >> > > 5) any capital improvement project that might help the Springfield >> > > Police Department run more efficiently ? Ooops! There isn't a single >> > > one. Police activities don't seem to rate too high on Council's and >> > > Administration's priority list. >> > >> > > Excuse me, but Wayfinder Signs in the city don't rate too high in my >> > > personal opinion book, compared to the priority Springfield obviously >> puts on installing >> > >> > these signs. If you have any idea the projects the City wants to spend >> > our tax money on, it's very easy to conclude their spending priorities >> > are NOT our priorities. >> > >> > >> > >> > > Jim Hornaday >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > http://votetom4council.webs.com/ > > www.moliberty.org > > http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com > > The power to tax involves the power to destroy. > ~Justice John Marshall~ > > Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics > won't take an interest in you! > -Pericles (430 B.C.) > > "no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it" > ~Will Turner~ > ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ > > A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. > ~Justice John Marshall~ > > http://www.radiofreeliberty.com > > > > > -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) 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