I did do an update to LateNight to add Aux controls and toggleable EQ. The AUX controls are really needed or else there's no way to use them, and I think being able to save more vertical space in the mixer is valuable.
I do appreciate any feedback, especially from users with small screens, since that's not something I have to deal with myself. On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 19:29 +0200, Markus Klösges wrote: > Is mentioned earlier - I don't want (you) to clutter LateNight with > dozens of configs. I think the proposed one should get another skin. > LateNight as it is now is much more structured and easier to understand > for new users than the suggested approach is - even if it has some > advantages. > > Just wanted to give my two cents to this thread, didn't ment to rework > LateNight - I think its fine for most users. > > Am 09.06.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Owen Williams: > > At this point we've reached the end of the road for how flexible > > LateNight can be. It's fairly flexible already, and every bit of > > flexibility I try to add beyond that is causing ripple effects for other > > layouts. So for now, if you want to experiment with other options, I'd > > suggest you fork the skin and try moving the pieces around. It might be > > fun to resurrect LateNight-wide (which may still be in the > > developer_skins repo) and see if it can be made to behave better. > > > > > > On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 05:05 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: > >> So there's the space beneath the left deck - where the preview deck > >> lives. The space on the other side is empty. Can the micaux array > >> get shrunk a bit and fit over there? That would save some space, > >> plus be nice and symmetrical. > >> > >> ~RAWRR > >> > >> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:34:41 +0000 re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: > >>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:15:37 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" > >>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: > >>>> If I recall it correct, it should help. > >>>> This has also the benefit that you can see more tracks in the > >>>> library. > >>>> > >>> > >>> And whatever other controls as well... interesting. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 23:10 schrieb re-cy...@hushmail.com: > >>>>> Interesting re: CPU. What do you think about decreasing the > >>>> height > >>>>> but keeping the width re: CPU? > >>>>> > >>>>> ~RAWRR > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:00:52 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" > >>>>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Markus, > >>>>> > >>>>>> Nice mock-up. > >>>>> > >>>>>> In the past we had issues with four full size Waveforms > >>>> because > >>>>>> the CPU > >>>>>> usage increases with the size. > >>>>>> So I am afraid that view does not suit to be part of Mixxx > >>>> default > >>>>>> skin. > >>>>>> IMHO we have already more then enough view options in the > >>>>>> LateNight skin. > >>>>> > >>>>>> But there should be no problem with a recent devices. > >>>>>> If this is the perfect skin for you use case, you are welcome > >>>> to > >>>>>> fork it. > >>>>>> Thats the benefit of our skin engine. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Daniel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 18:42 schrieb Markus Klösges: > >>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck > >>> toggle] > >>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2] > >>>>>>>> waveform 1 > >>>>>>>> waveform 2 > >>>>>>>> waveform 3 > >>>>>>>> waveform 4 > >>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4] > >>>>>>> I'm using Mixxx without controller without scratching and so > >>>> on, > >>>>>> just > >>>>>>> simple crossfading with external mixer and so on. > >>>>>>> I would also prefer the option to have the (almost) screen- > >>>> wide > >>>>>>> waveforms. I liked the 'old' 1.11 Latenight. Clearly that > >>>>>> doesn't work > >>>>>>> out for 4 decks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think one should not clutter a skin with dozens of config- > >>>>>> options but > >>>>>>> better fork that skin (or decide for one, better, solution > >>>>>> maybe). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The option to get the bigLibrary is a real benefit for me > >>> and > >>>>>> results in > >>>>>>> lesser need of a large library when everything is turned on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The only reason I have the mixer turned on is the crossfader > >>>> and > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>> preview-Buttons. On my machine, in 4 and 2 deck mode without > >>>> the > >>>>>> mixer > >>>>>>> there is some space where the mixxx logo is displayed. Would > >>>> it > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>> possible to get the crossfader (and maybe the cue-buttons) > >>>>>> there? That > >>>>>>> would result in the big waveforms for me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Another option would be to make the waveforms (nearly) > >>> screen- > >>>> > >>>>>> wide and > >>>>>>> place pitch, EQ, Volume, Cue, on the left and right (as > >>> pitch > >>>>>> was in > >>>>>>> 1.11). That would only leave crossfader, Master, Balance, > >>>>>> HeadGain and > >>>>>>> Pre/Main from the mixer-section what could eventually be > >>>> placed > >>>>>> like > >>>>>>> proposed above where the mixxx logo is, in between of > >>>>>> previewDeck and > >>>>>>> maybe Mics. > >>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck1] [Waveform 1] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck2] > >>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 3] [------------------] > >>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck3] [Waveform 2] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck4] > >>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 4] [------------------] > >>>>>>> [ Deck1 ] [ Deck2 ] [ Deck3 ] [ Deck4 ] > >>>>>>> [PreviewDeck] [ Crossfade/Master ] [Microphones] > >>>>>>> [Samplers] > >>>>>>> [Effects] > >>>>>>> [Library] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've done a quick sketch http://imgur.com/MruunAd > >>>>>>> I've not rescaled anything except some little changes and > >>>> this > >>>>>> dosn't > >>>>>>> get bigger than the current approach but gives much bigger > >>>>>> waveforms. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But I am unsure if this is out of scope for LateNight and > >>>> should > >>>>>> better > >>>>>>> be done in an other skin. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What do you think? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Markus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Be: > >>>>>>>> I tested it and it helps, but adding these options feels > >>>> like > >>>>>> putting > >>>>>>>> bandages on a bigger design issues that are not very easy > >>> to > >>>>>> solve. > >>>>>>>> There are so many buttons for skin options at the top that > >>>> it's > >>>>>> kinda > >>>>>>>> overwhelming. However, I think trying to implement better > >>>>>> solutions to > >>>>>>>> those design challenges would take a lot of effort that > >>>>>> shouldn't delay > >>>>>>>> 1.12. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck > >>> toggle] > >>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2] > >>>>>>>> waveform 1 > >>>>>>>> waveform 2 > >>>>>>>> waveform 3 > >>>>>>>> waveform 4 > >>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 06/06/2015 01:04 PM, Owen Williams wrote: > >>>>>>>>> "thanks" as in, you tested it and it works well? I don't > >>>> want > >>>>>> to commit > >>>>>>>>> without someone taking a look at it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 09:30 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:14 +0000 "Owen Williams" > >>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> I've posted a PR for some new LateNight display options. > >>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>> definitely > >>>>>>>>>>> running up against the limits of the skinning engine so > >>> I > >>>>>> can't do > >>>>>>>>>>> a lot > >>>>>>>>>>> more than this. But it makes it possible to > >>> specifically > >>>>>> select > >>>>>>>>>>> the big > >>>>>>>>>>> waveforms if you want them. It also makes it possible > >>> to > >>>>>> turn off > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> EQs to save some vertical space without eliminating the > >>>>>> whole > >>>>>>>>>>> mixer. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks:) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 05:16 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Owen, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That mockup was poorly thought out re: mixer, sorry. I > >>>>>> never use > >>>>>>>>>>> 4 > >>>>>>>>>>>> decks :/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you aren't sick of my backseat driving yet, I just > >>>> had > >>>>>>>>>>> another > >>>>>>>>>>>> slightly radical idea - make LateNight's library > >>> "toggle > >>>>>> only", > >>>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>>> that the "big library" button becomes the only way to > >>>> see > >>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>>>>> This > >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't inhibit my personal use style, and it would > >>>> free > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> entire screen for controls. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly a complimentary idea is to let the search > >>> field > >>>>>> remain > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> the main window, and have "big library" open with the > >>>>>> results, > >>>>>>>>>>>> either as you type or after hitting enter. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just for fun I've attached the Gimp .xcf layers I used > >>>> for > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> mockup, which can be used in a paper-doll fashion. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:01:55 +0000 "Owen Williams" > >>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should come up with some sort of standard > >>>>>> effect > >>>>>>>>>>> rack > >>>>>>>>>>>>> template that all the skins can share (and theme as > >>>>>> necessary) > >>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure we can do that in time for release. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is currently not enough room for big waveforms > >>>> and > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> mixer > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> also 4 decks. At low resolutions, it's already > >>>> impossible > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> show > >>>>>>>>>>>>> every > >>>>>>>>>>>>> UI element, and the skin system is not flexible enough > >>>> to > >>>>>> allow > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>> every possible combination of elements. So the design > >>>> is > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> best- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> effort > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at letting people choose a good layout. Ultimately if > >>>>>> there's > >>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> skin > >>>>>>>>>>>>> design you want that isn't possible, it may be > >>>> necessary > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> create > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a new > >>>>>>>>>>>>> skin for it. For a while I was maintaining LateNight- > >>>>>> Wide, > >>>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>>>> had > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all four decks horizontally and the waveforms at the > >>>> top, > >>>>>>>>>>> spanning > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> width of the screen. Maybe it's time to resurrect > >>>> that. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 18:40 +0000, re- > >>>> cy...@hushmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owen, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using the LateNight resizeable skin and I > >>>> have > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> couple > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of issues: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we get a thing where the effects bank can > >>>> optionally > >>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimized, possibly back to the simplistic dials > >>>> existing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously? I'm running out of real estate on all of > >>>> my > >>>>>>>>>>> screens, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't currently have any hi-res ones. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Related, I kind of hate being forced to choose > >>>> waveforms > >>>>>> vs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mixer, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the loss of big waveforms in that skin to begin > >>>> with. > >>>>>> It > >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me the reason they got 86'd was the effects bank > >>>>>> mentioned > >>>>>>>>>>>>> above. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't file a bug because this is just my > >>>>>>>>>>> experience/preference, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but thought you'd want feedback. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:53:57 +0000 "Owen Williams" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 15:29 -0400, RJ Ryan wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The skins are in kind of bad shape at the moment. > >>>> They > >>>>>>>>>>> really > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polish to bring them to design bar that we set > >>>> pretty > >>>>>> high > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.11.0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mention skins are in a bad shape -- can you file > >>>>>> bugs > >>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know about? I've been fixing the LateNight bugs as > >>>> they > >>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I think things are in a pretty good state there. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We really need to get the Deere stuff merged in, > >>>> though. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------- > >>> - > >>>> --- > >>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mixxx.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx- > >>>> devel > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > >>> - > >>>> --- > >>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >>>>>>>>> http://mixxx.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> - > >>>> --- > >>>>>> -------------- > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >>>>>>>> http://mixxx.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> - > >>>> --- > >>>>>> ------------- > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >>>>>>> http://mixxx.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >>>>>>> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> - > >>>> ---- > >>>>>> ----------- > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >>>>>> http://mixxx.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >>>>>> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > >>>>> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > >> http://mixxx.org > >> > >> > >> Mixxx-devel mailing list > >> Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > > http://mixxx.org > > > > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today > http://mixxx.org > > > Mixxx-devel mailing list > Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Get Mixxx, the #1 Free MP3 DJ Mixing software Today http://mixxx.org Mixxx-devel mailing list Mixxx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mixxx-devel
