Funny Charlie should say that - at one point, I read and foolishly
posted to Vortex.  Naturally my responses were shot down b/c I didn't
drive an A4 that was "hooked up" nor was I learned in "performance
modifications" such as slamming the car to the pavement.  When I
disagreed with one of the moderators b/c he was into "performance"
and I wasn't, I became persona non-grata.  No big loss but it's
interesting to see that so many Vortexers are performance experts
merely b/c they can buy parts to bolt onto their cars - too bad they
can't drive b/c I see almost daily posts about "Dude, I totalled my
car again".  

Like Charlie, I find Vortex to be amusing at best.  What's most
amusing are the numbers of people that are wholly devoid of
mechanical skill who shouldn't be touching a keyboard let alone an
automobile that allow themselves to get talked into modifying their
cars by other people who have less mechanical skills than a keypunch
operator.  However I use Vortexers as an acid test - whenever I get
stuck on a project, I just remind myself that some pinhead on Vortex
has already done this (the hard way) and it provides me with enough
inspiration to complete whatever task is at hand.  Of course the
other benefit to Vortex is that they're always a terrific outlet for
used (read JUNK) parts - just tell'em it was on a real race car and
the price triples.  If you tell'em it was on a drag car or a magazine
car, the price rises exponentially.  

BTW, Charlie - it isn't "old guy", it's "experienced guy".  

--- Charlie Russo <[email protected]> wrote:
> One thing I find very interesting about Vortex is that there seems
> to be a
> LOT of
> mis-information being spread there. I actually find it entertaining
> when I
> see people
> who seem to "know it all" respond to questions with answers that
> are very,
> very wrong.
> I had heard from a few VW friends that Vortex was like that and had
> to see
> for myself
> so I joined a few months ago.
> 
> Vortex is also a great place if you want people to jump all over
> your butt
> for posting
> good, correct information. My posts about a certain Water Cooled VW
> Show
> were less than
> well received by more than a few people on Vortex. I laughed my
> butt off
> when I went
> to that show and watched almost Ever Single One of my Concerns Come
> True.
> I found it very, very funny that some on Vortex wanted to kill the
> messenger so to speak
> before this show but in the end the messenger laughed his Butt Off
> all day
> long at the show at the dust and for
> over TWO HOURS as I watched everyone trying to leave on the one,
> beat up
> access road.
> 
> I also find it very entertaining how some "News" items on Vortex
> seem to
> get Sugar Coated, Generalized
> or in a few cases just misrepresented. I guess that is what they
> get when
> they use the "sources"
> they do for Volkswagen information. It seems that lately they are
> trying to
> improve on this which
> is a good sign.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, Vortex can be a good source for information
> once you
> get through the higher
> than usual amount of BS and incorrect information being posted
> there.
> Problem is, sometimes it gets
> difficult trying to figure out what is correct and what is not.
> 
> For me, the 16V list has more hardcore, knowledgeable, VW people
> who care
> about helping others with their VWs
> by sharing good information. Maybe that is why I have stuck around
> for so
> long. I guess in addition to
> being the "old guy" at a certain WC Show I am an "old guy" here on
> the 16V
> list. <grin>
> 


=====
Matthew Yip
http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/

'81 Rabbit diesel - '87 GTi 16v "General Li" - '88 M5 - '99 F350 psd

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