In a message dated 2/17/00 7:44:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << No, it would not. How do you know that God created us? How do you know that God isn't a blind, ignorant energy field which has no direct way of communicating with us (that's actually pretty much what I believe)? How do you know that God didn't create some much more advanced life-forms in Alpha Centauri who show MUCH more promise than us and don't spend all this time bickering and listening to music and watching TV, and we are just some nutty accident that He's watching with amusement? >> we're just a trite species that has it all wrong. . .blah, blah, blah. how boring. in re: subjective reality, if in fact, everything is subjective, and it is all we know, then it becomes fact subjectively. and therefore, if we have now way of knowing it any other way, it becomes fact as closely as we can experience it, and the idea that maybe it's all wrong doesn't matter anyway, because we can't go any further with it. therefore subjective reality = reality as we know it = other reality is, more or less, irrelevant at this time. i would partially agree that atheism is retarded, if only because it seems to be a label to apply to oneself in opposition of something that otherwise, apparently, doesn't have an effect on your life. if the concept of gods had not been created, atheism wouldn't exist. i am not a potato, but i do not make up a term to state my non-potato-ness. it is just accepted, by me, that i am not a potato, and therefore, i do not concern myself with the activities of potatoes, and i do not bother to make it any clearer to them through the use of a label my lack of potato-ity. much of the bible has yet to be proven, as well, and it was written by human hands. just a few things that i was thinking about star