>>Another interesting topic is bands that have done the exact opposite of sell-out...Branch off in musical directions against the grain of popular culture despite the threat of million dollar losses. Radiohead comes to mind. No Doubt too. Even Rage. Nothing but respect for those bands, although I don't like No Doubt or Rage.<< I dont think I quite understand what you mean by "going against the grain of popular culture." I dont see anything unique about what No Doubt or Rage have done. I think Gwen is one of the trendiest people around. Maybe I just dont get it, but I have to say that I disagree with you...I respect your opinion, but I still disagree. *jae* boulder, colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED]