thank you, thank you, thank you. i think you were going here with this, if i may be so bold: "so i don't mind dancing, and others having a good time, as long as it is not infringing on the enjoyment of others. sometimes, i just don't feel like being shoved around by some sweaty fuck, and if said sweaty fuck can respect that, so can i." seriously, i don't care what you want to do to enjoy a show (why is this such a point of contention with people - all this, "if you don't dance you're dumb" and "if you do dance, you're dumb" bullshit?). but there's almost inevitably one or two frat-bros or "punker than yr mom" asshole who thinks it's funny to try and "initiate" others into their rites of stupidity. and that's where the problem is. and bjorn, i attended many a nw show by the mouse from late 95/early 96 up through mid98, and i did in fact witness more than a few examples of morons moshing. the insinuation that i would make up something that inconsequential (and to what end, anyway?) is just ridiculous. i've even seen people moshing to dub narcotic sound system. . .all it takes is the right (wrong) crowd. . . . star > While this topic has already been debated to death, I feel inclined to add my > > two cents to this, because moshing annoys the fuck out of me at shows. Don't > > get me wrong, i love dancing, screaming along, and having a good time, but > you don't have to knock around anyone else to do this. I've honestly gotten > into fairly serious fights with people about this. When I saw modest mouse, > these six or seven frat guys decided to start right into me and like 2 other > > people during "tundra/desert", and i almost broke a beer bottle over one > guy's head. I don't quite remember where I was going with this, so...um, go > listen to Knapsack. >