I hope you guys get the general idea of what I am about to say... Perl6 is (barely) underway. Perl is the ubiquituos and, some would say, premiere, web language. format (and format_top) are possibly going to be pushed out of the core. I imagine the reasons are that formats are much less utilized nowadays. Any chance in heck that the format could be re-written into a HTML templater? -JoshNarins __END__ Afterthoughts... obviously, $- is no longer needed, which is great, since I always had to hack around it anyway. It needs to support loops It should support external template files. I think caching should not be included. I think having this as part of the core of perl makes sense (because 90%[guess] of perl scripts are for the web). X(your letters here) support should be transparent(?) I think I'd feel great if I helped make this happen.