I read recently that webtechniques has an award pending for tools, and the Zope list just mentioned: http://www.linux-community.de/News/story?storyid=349 Any mod_perl evangelists interested? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -----------------------------------------------------------------