What a silly goose I am... Right after that email I wrote a minute ago, I remembered some code along these lines that I am aware of... the v1 Open Source release of Opendesk.com, to be gotten from: ftp://ftp.smartworker.org/ As you can see, it's been a bit of time since this has been updated, but there quite a decent DF in there somewhere -- definitely in the opendesk tarball, and possibly inside of the sw-apps stuff. Of course, using opendesk requires SmartWorker, and (sorry to say) it's demanding (learning-curve-wise) beyond what most of us are probably willing to go for. Which is a shame, because at heart, it rocks. (Remember that whole bit regarding enterprise application API stuff in Perl in the "advocacy" thread of last week? SmartWorker is _it_!) Cheers, Richard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Dice * Personal 519 635 9568 * Fax 519 635 9569 ShadNet Creator * http://shadnet.shad.ca/ * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Occasional Writer, HotWired * http://www.hotwired.com/webmonkey/ "squeeze the world 'til it's small enough to join us heel to toe" - jesus jones