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> c- i was getting a bunch of "message type 0x49 arrived from server > while idle" -> "message type 0x53 arrived from server while idle" This is due to some errant forking. PostgreSQL (and most other databases for that matter) does not support forking and then trying to talk to two clients at once. One of those clients sends something, and the other one notices the response and basically says "Hey! You talkin' to me?!?" You are most likely connecting too early. This also explains the other errors you are seeing. Make sure you use the latest version of DBD::Pg as well, as some other obscure forking-related problems were recently fixed. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200603191601 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEHcdOvJuQZxSWSsgRAobzAJ9eThLlKi3esmLZcS52TZF5lsycjACdFZNY Hngofu5QKVcU7k4XspLPsQY= =raOP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----