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The mod handbook (not the indie one)
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Re: The mod handbook (not the indie one)
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definition of a mod
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indie vs mod pickled fish
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:05:17 -0000
From: "David Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modculture Album Reviews!
Hello,
I`d like to anmnounce that the modculture album reviews section has got
bigger, better and....well....a place that`s well worth a web visit!
Probably (almost definitely) the most Mod related music reviews available in
one place, along with details and buying/website links. Get it bookmarked,
it`ll be changing very often!!
http://www.modculture.co.uk/reviews/
If you have anything you want reviewing, or you want to be a reviewer
yourself (currently UK only due to costs involved in posting out music) get
in touch.
All the best,
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:28:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Guy Brader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 838
Adam,
I have know idea. I came up with the name just as a play of words.
Traditionally in the UK (where I'm from) Penny for the Guy is a phrase
kicked around the time of Guy Fawkes night(November 5th), kids make
scarecrow like figures that are thrown on the bonfire at night but
before this happens you drag it around trying to get a "penny for the
guy." My name is "Guy" so I just liked the way it fit, not that I'm a
scarecrow figure..
cheers,
GUY
> From: adam szlachetka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> isn't that a pitchblende song or something...?
> or is it in reference to something else..?
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:52:21 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Guy Brader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: website update
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > If you get the chance, please check out my recently
> > updated website:
> >
> > http://pennyfortheguy.tripod.com
> >
> > Lots of new content,graphics and news. With more updates
> > to follow
> > soon.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Guy Brader
> > penny for the guy
=====
introducing.... penny for the guy
http://pennyfortheguy.tripod.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
From: "tim boykin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes and
dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if they
play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i love
old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
see live bands and getting into brand new music.
cheers,
timmeh
>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: indie rock is not fun
>
>
>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
>comes
>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like a
>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers. They
>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have the
>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play, well,
>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally french
>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who' in
>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more and
>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
>phenomenom is beyond me.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:44:32 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
I've found that people are generally very judgemental, especially when it
comes to counter cultures. Therefore, the best thing I think you could do is
just say "Fuck 'em, who cares?" You like what you like what you like. If
someone's going to be a jerk about it, they're just a jerk, regardless of
what they're into, right? Besides, the bottom line is you've got plenty of
people in their mid to late twenties imitating a youth culture that contained
mostly teenagers upon it's inception. So who's fooling who?
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:53:58 -0800
From: "Thaddeus Ritch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The mod handbook (not the indie one)
Yes, Yes, THAT thread. Tim, we've established one cannot be modern unless
he/she (he-she?) is stuck in the past. Equally, if a new band sounds like an
old mod band, they're not; they're actually indie rock. However, if a new
band sounds like the bad funk soundtrack to a mid-eighties porn flick (no
offense JTQ fans), thats 'mod-as-can-be. Personally, I find most mod kids
nearly indistinguishable (god, that word does not look right) from indie
rocker types. Maybe a new style should be set. I propose, to be mod one
must:
1.Listen to obscure european techno.
2.Wear gold chains.
3.Eat pickled fish.
4.Use alot of parentheses.
God, I'm so mod (anybody else have additional guidlines? Maybe we can make a
handbook?). I am the mod-god.
>From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
>
>i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
>seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
>modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes and
>dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if they
>play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
>this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
>pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i love
>old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
>see live bands and getting into brand new music.
>
>cheers,
>timmeh
>
>>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: indie rock is not fun
>>
>>
>>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
>>comes
>>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like a
>>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers. They
>>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
>>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have the
>>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
>>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play, well,
>>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally french
>>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
>>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who'
>>in
>>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more and
>>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
>>phenomenom is beyond me.
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:24:49 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The mod handbook (not the indie one)
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hmmm...pickled fish you say?
-charles monarchy
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:45:14 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: definition of a mod
i am new to the mod scene. i like the trad mod. Old scooters, jazz and
blues music. that is the mod i like. no one to me, really knows hwhat a
mod is supposed to be. well i would like your thoughts.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:10:14 -0800
From: "Thaddeus Ritch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: indie vs mod pickled fish
Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today. Nothing
but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered to
as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of pickled
herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull top
lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty works
within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to eating.
I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for supporting
the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish of
primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle those?
they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would run
together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break into
mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod at
all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an un-pickled
fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad leisure
suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
humiliated, and mocked by all.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:13:33 -0800
From: "Thaddeus Ritch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: definition of a mod
Old scooters, jazz and blues music, methamphetamines, and pickled fish.
(I'm annoying myself now, but it's like an addiction; I can't stop posting.
Now I know how Dan and Paola must have felt on 'whatsshakin last week.)
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: definition of a mod
>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:45:14 +0000
>
> i am new to the mod scene. i like the trad mod. Old scooters, jazz and
>blues music. that is the mod i like. no one to me, really knows hwhat a
>mod is supposed to be. well i would like your thoughts.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:16:51 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: indie vs mod pickled fish
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That was pure genius. You should write a book. Steven Hawly would buy it.
-charles monarchy
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Steven Hawly would buy it.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:17:27 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: definition of a mod
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I thouth the pickled fish email summed it all up...
-charles monarchy
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:02:43 -0600
From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type assumptions
drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing, that
just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd understand
that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the ever
stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who operate
on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have too
much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
>From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
>
>i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
>seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
>modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes and
>dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if they
>play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
>this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
>pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i love
>old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
>see live bands and getting into brand new music.
>
>cheers,
>timmeh
>
>>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: indie rock is not fun
>>
>>
>>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
>>comes
>>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like a
>>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers. They
>>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
>>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have the
>>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
>>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play, well,
>>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally french
>>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
>>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who'
>>in
>>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more and
>>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
>>phenomenom is beyond me.
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: michael burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Yeh?...this is Mod
No, No...MOD is watching 47 hours of mod related video
(clubs, parties and rallys) and trying to edit that
down to 10 minutes of interesting footage for the
masses....Now thats MOD.
Any other broadcast/motion graphics artist in the
scene ...let�s swap tapes/reels...whatever
Michael S. Burns
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:27:09 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Have you finished yet ?
Regards
Catherine Ralph,
Pre-Production Analyst,
Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
Tel :- 01268 - 40 - 4864, Fax :- 01268 - 40 - 4488,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type assumptions
drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing, that
just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd understand
that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the ever
stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who operate
on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have too
much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
>From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
>
>i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
>seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
>modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes and
>dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if they
>play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
>this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
>pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i love
>old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
>see live bands and getting into brand new music.
>
>cheers,
>timmeh
>
>>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: indie rock is not fun
>>
>>
>>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
>>comes
>>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like a
>>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers. They
>>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
>>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have the
>>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
>>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play, well,
>>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally french
>>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
>>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who'
>>in
>>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more and
>>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
>>phenomenom is beyond me.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:32:36 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
I prefer pickled herrings. As for the English being big Eel eaters....you
are obviously joking or very
misguided.
Regards
Catherine Ralph,
Pre-Production Analyst,
Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
Tel :- 01268 - 40 - 4864, Fax :- 01268 - 40 - 4488,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thaddeus Ritch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 January 2002 20:10
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: indie vs mod pickled fish
Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today. Nothing
but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered to
as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of pickled
herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull top
lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty works
within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to eating.
I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for supporting
the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish of
primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle those?
they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would run
together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break into
mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod at
all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an un-pickled
fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad leisure
suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
humiliated, and mocked by all.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:01:15 +0000
From: "Andy Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
It depends mainly on where you are from in the UK. If you are from the North
then its meat pies, if you are a true Notherner then its coal as well.
Whereas I'm from Devon so all I eat is clotted cream and pasties.
>From: CATHERINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:32:36 -0500
>
>
>I prefer pickled herrings. As for the English being big Eel eaters....you
>are obviously joking or very
>misguided.
>
>
>
>Regards
>Catherine Ralph,
>Pre-Production Analyst,
>Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
>Tel :- 01268 - 40 - 4864, Fax :- 01268 - 40 - 4488,
>E-MAIL :- [EMAIL PROTECTED], MAIL :- 28 / 200.
>**************************************************************
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Thaddeus Ritch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 13 January 2002 20:10
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: indie vs mod pickled fish
>
>
> Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
>praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
>eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today. Nothing
>but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered to
>as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
> It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
>than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of pickled
>herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull top
>lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
>pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty works
>within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to eating.
>I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for supporting
>the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
> Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish
>of
>
>primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle
>those?
>
>they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would
>run
>
>together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break into
>mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
> Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod
>at
>
>all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an
>un-pickled
>
>fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad
>leisure
>
>suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
>humiliated, and mocked by all.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:05:32 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
Andy - I've pretty much spent time all over the U.K. and I can honestly say
I've never met anyone who eats
Eel ! As for clotted cream.....mmmmmmm
Kitty XX
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 10:01
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
It depends mainly on where you are from in the UK. If you are from the North
then its meat pies, if you are a true Notherner then its coal as well.
Whereas I'm from Devon so all I eat is clotted cream and pasties.
>From: CATHERINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: indie vs mod pickled fish
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:32:36 -0500
>
>
>I prefer pickled herrings. As for the English being big Eel eaters....you
>are obviously joking or very
>misguided.
>
>
>
>Regards
>Catherine Ralph,
>Pre-Production Analyst,
>Interior Electronics, BOMM, VISTEON,
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Thaddeus Ritch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 13 January 2002 20:10
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: indie vs mod pickled fish
>
>
> Pete Townshend first crystallized pickled fish as a mod staple with
>praise and illumination in Quadrophenia. Here we learn the importance of
>eel, especially eel pie. Eel is all they eat in England even today. Nothing
>but eel. Well, eel and beef, but more eel. The English are not reffered to
>as "Eeleaters" for 'naught.
> It must be opened for discussion that some pickled fish may be more mod
>than others. For instance, relating form to function, flat cans of pickled
>herring are quite efficient in housing flat herring fillets. Thier pull top
>lids bringing wonderfully modern utility. On the other hand, jars of
>pickled cod or gelfite have an aesthetic advantage; succulent salty works
>within may be observed through varous shaped glass panes prior to eating.
>I've found the glove box of a P-series Vespa to be wonderful for supporting
>the former, rested beside a can of mod beer.
> Taste of fish is less important than color. We should eat pickled fish
>of
>
>primary colors: yellowtail, red snapper, blue dolphin (do they pickle
>those?
>
>they should!). Packed together in a can, one wonders if the colors would
>run
>
>together into unsavory surreal brown sludge or if the fish would break into
>mixed pieces of fragmentary "post" deconstruction.
> Finally, canned tuna isn't even really pickled, and therefore, not mod
>at
>
>all. Eaters of tuna fish are best described as "indie". To eat an
>un-pickled
>
>fish equates to trading Weezer records and wearing Converse with bad
>leisure
>
>suits. These intruders pollute "the scene". They must be labelled,
>humiliated, and mocked by all.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:13:17 +0000
From: "Andy Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know what
people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
Quadrophenia. Am I right?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>
>
>Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
>Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
>equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type assumptions
>drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
>not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing, that
>just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
>narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
>actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd understand
>that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the ever
>stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
>operate
>on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
>too
>
>much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
>scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
>recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
>writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
>Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
> >From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
> >
> >i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
> >seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
> >modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes
>and
> >dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if
>they
> >play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
> >this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
> >pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i
>love
> >old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
> >see live bands and getting into brand new music.
> >
> >cheers,
> >timmeh
> >
> >>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: indie rock is not fun
> >>
> >>
> >>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
> >>comes
> >>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like
>a
> >>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers.
>They
> >>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
> >>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have
>the
> >>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
> >>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play,
>well,
> >>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally
>french
> >>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
> >>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who'
> >>in
> >>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more
>and
> >>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
> >>phenomenom is beyond me.
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:28:52 -0500
From: "Ralph, Catherine (C.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
The thing is Andy is that Steven Hawley is moaning about non-mod types when
some time back he was complaining
about the Mod scene being too strict and narrow minded....I think Steven
needs to decide on what he wants as
he keeps moving the goal posts.......
Kitty XX
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2002 10:13
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know what
people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
Quadrophenia. Am I right?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>
>
>Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
>Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
>equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type assumptions
>drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
>not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing, that
>just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
>narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
>actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd understand
>that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the ever
>stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
> Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
>operate
>on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
>too
>
>much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
>scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
>recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
>writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
>Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
> >From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
> >
> >i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so it
> >seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
> >modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes
>and
> >dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if
>they
> >play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock band.
> >this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on here
> >pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i
>love
> >old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going to
> >see live bands and getting into brand new music.
> >
> >cheers,
> >timmeh
> >
> >>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: indie rock is not fun
> >>
> >>
> >>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
> >>comes
> >>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like
>a
> >>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers.
>They
> >>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
> >>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have
>the
> >>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'. They'll
> >>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play,
>well,
> >>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally
>french
> >>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few people
> >>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos who'
> >>in
> >>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more
>and
> >>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
> >>phenomenom is beyond me.
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:50 -0000
From: "Mag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
Mods.........a definition. I see this crop up so much and to be honest the
subject matter is tedious and I don't really think it has a solid meaning in
todays terms. I prefer to think of people getting together who have an
interest in similar music, clothes, lifestyle, attitude etc etc but to label
it with a name has lost its meaning. When it all began it was so concise, so
different from anything else and easily recognisable..today so many
people/groups etc have been influenced by Mod that there can no longer be a
concise definition of what "Mod" is today. And to try and carry on to
categorise people or define it, you must be losing something along the
way........surely in your own heart and soul you know if you are or not and
that surely must be how you define it to yourself.
Don't let a text book or a rules list tell you what to follow......choose
your own path and walk it at your own pace.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 January 2002 10:13
Subject: RE: indie rock is not fun
>I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, but I would like to know
what
>people's true idea of mod is. It seems to be different for everyone who
>considers themselves to be mods, and follow the scene with a devotion. I
>think that the type of people that Steven is reffering to are those who
>think they are mods because they have a CD of The Who and quite enjoyed
>Quadrophenia. Am I right?
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Steven Hawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: 14 January 2002 01:03
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>>
>>
>>Oh dear, didn't I post that a while ago? Like at least a few weeks?
>>Flattered and disturbed by your long term thought of my postings....I am
>>equally amused by the amount of shoddy 'fill in the blank' type
assumptions
>>drawn about my 'opinions'. In fact, compared to most mod enthusiates, I'm
>>not nearly as soul or r&b bent, personally. But if that is your thing,
that
>>just fine by me too. "The parameters for a being a modernist are very
>>narrow and strict....seems what this cat is trying to say." Has anybody
>>actually read that posting in it's entirety? If you did, you'd understand
>>that I was criticizing intensions and annoying character flaws of the ever
>>stagnant indie rock 'status' forums.
>> Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of 'mod' scenesters who
>>operate
>>on the same insecure name dropping mentalities, fortunatly we don't have
>>too
>>
>>much of that here. We don't spin records accordingly to some online mod
>>scene song lists. I embrace new and old. However, if your unable to
>>recognize the difference in today's sub-cultural value between the song
>>writing of let's say Nicola Conte or Bob Stanley vs. something like 'The
>>Promise Ring', then I rest my case:)
>> >From: Tim Boykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Subject: Re: indie rock is not fun
>> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:25:44 -0600
>> >
>> >i hate that i missed this thread; very interesting and kinda funny. so
it
>> >seems that from what this cat is saying, the parameters for being a
>> >modernist are very narrow and strict. you have to wear period costumes
>>and
>> >dance to Jimmy Smith and Junior Walker records and clear the floor if
>>they
>> >play the Creation or the Who or worse, an actual current indie rock
band.
>> >this would make one a modernist. sounds like a drag. is everybody on
here
>> >pretty much in agreement about the extreme limitations of modernism? i
>>love
>> >old soul, jazz, and blues records, but damned if i'm gonna avoid going
to
>> >see live bands and getting into brand new music.
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >timmeh
>> >
>> >>From: "Steven Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Subject: indie rock is not fun
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Ya know, for the past few years I'll meet an occational 'new' girl who
>> >>comes
>> >>to check out the mod spins in our town. They always wear something like
>>a
>> >>black turtleneck, cuffed denims, and brand new New Balance sneakers.
>>They
>> >>dance to the really obvious white guy mod hits and clear the floor for
>> >>anything funky and or done by black musicians. Then they usually have
>>the
>> >>nerve to 'advise' me aon what bands I should really 'check out'.
They'll
>> >>mention some indie rock bands who sort of dress 'mod ish', but play,
>>well,
>> >>indie rock. Somewhere along the line I'll here terms like 'totally
>>french
>> >>new wave' and other nonsense etc....Then when they learn the few
people
>> >>that are there just love good music and aren't concerned with 'whos
who'
>> >>in
>> >>whatever indie scenes....they never return.... There seems to be more
>>and
>> >>more of this happening, who or what is responsible for this growing
>> >>phenomenom is beyond me.
>> >
>> >
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