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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:16:38 -0700
From: Daniel Geddes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detected no sarcasm there
>
Yes, see that's the problem. You probably WOULDN'T detect it.
I'm 99.99% sure that Andy feels he has a grasp on this whole mod thing.
All of your book choices are the most obvious ones that everyone
has known about for eons.
You're just so overblown, pompous, ridiculous, redundant, obvious,
and sadly typical of a certain type, that I literally laugh out loud at what
you
write. Aren't you getting carpal tunnel syndrome from regurgitating
this stuff and tacking your name on the end?
Dan
>
> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: those books
>
> Detected no sarcasm there myself, Mr. Geddes, and I
> still don't, but I'll let Andy clarify for himself if
> he so desires. You presume to speak for an awful lot
> of people who don't necessarily appear to have given
> you their proxy to vote, Daniel ...
>
> Should of course have mentioned those Colin MacInnes
> novels, though I imagine most here are familiar at
> least with Absolute Beginners. Kevin Pearce's
> Something Beginning with O, the Paul Weller essay on
> mod in Cool Cats (there's a documentary as well),
> Keith Badman and Terry Rawling's Empire Made ...
>
> For anyobody actually interested ...
>
> http://www.modculture.co.uk/visuals/fact.html
>
> http://www.bomp.com/BompbooksMod.html
>
> http://www.soul-a-go-go.demon.co.uk/sbooks.html
>
> So where'd you get all your information from, then, M.
> Geddes? Don't seem quite mature enough to have been
> there, done that the first time 'round--though which
> first time? The original mods, modern jazz
> enthusiasts, would have had no interest in the
> subsequent subcultures which took up the name ...
>
> Indeed, the 'mod' we (think we) know and love--the
> records, the clothes, the scooters, et al.--appears
> actually to have been the popularized, mainstreamed,
> even, aftermath of the 'genuine' subculture. Which
> makes it nonetheless worthy of our love, our
> knowledge, but ...
>
> But the point is, there'll always not only be somebody
> who'd been there, done that before you, there'll also
> be somebody who'd avoided there, disdained that as
> well, and s/he's not even intrested in having your
> number, so don't get to cocky, old cock ...
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Uh, yeah. I think he was being sarcastic about the
> > books. But hey, it gave you another opportunity to
> > expound. Gives the newbies a starting point, and
> > makes you feel ever so clever.
>
> Anybody can look this stuff up, I just already have
> happened to have done the legwork, not to mention the
> reading, is all. Does make me feel helpful, at least,
> not to mention hopeful that the effort has not gone,
> will not go to waste ...
>
> But does it make you feel NOT so clever, to the point
> you need to compensate by being a complete, not to
> mention uninteresting (and there's your worst offense,
> Daniel, insisting on being so thoroughly NOT clever,
> so thoroughly boring) bastard? Do let us know ...
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:10:02 +0200
From: "bi polarbear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detected no sarcasm there
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Detected no sarcasm there
>Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:16:38 -0700
>
> >
>
>Yes, see that's the problem. You probably WOULDN'T detect it.
>I'm 99.99% sure that Andy feels he has a grasp on this whole mod thing.
>All of your book choices are the most obvious ones that everyone
>has known about for eons.
>You're just so overblown, pompous, ridiculous, redundant, obvious,
>and sadly typical of a certain type, that I literally laugh out loud at
>what
>you
>write. Aren't you getting carpal tunnel syndrome from regurgitating
>this stuff and tacking your name on the end?
>
>Dan
>
> >
> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: those books
> >
> > Detected no sarcasm there myself, Mr. Geddes, and I
> > still don't, but I'll let Andy clarify for himself if
> > he so desires. You presume to speak for an awful lot
> > of people who don't necessarily appear to have given
> > you their proxy to vote, Daniel ...
> >
> > Should of course have mentioned those Colin MacInnes
> > novels, though I imagine most here are familiar at
> > least with Absolute Beginners. Kevin Pearce's
> > Something Beginning with O, the Paul Weller essay on
> > mod in Cool Cats (there's a documentary as well),
> > Keith Badman and Terry Rawling's Empire Made ...
> >
> > For anyobody actually interested ...
> >
> > http://www.modculture.co.uk/visuals/fact.html
> >
> > http://www.bomp.com/BompbooksMod.html
> >
> > http://www.soul-a-go-go.demon.co.uk/sbooks.html
> >
> > So where'd you get all your information from, then, M.
> > Geddes? Don't seem quite mature enough to have been
> > there, done that the first time 'round--though which
> > first time? The original mods, modern jazz
> > enthusiasts, would have had no interest in the
> > subsequent subcultures which took up the name ...
> >
> > Indeed, the 'mod' we (think we) know and love--the
> > records, the clothes, the scooters, et al.--appears
> > actually to have been the popularized, mainstreamed,
> > even, aftermath of the 'genuine' subculture. Which
> > makes it nonetheless worthy of our love, our
> > knowledge, but ...
> >
> > But the point is, there'll always not only be somebody
> > who'd been there, done that before you, there'll also
> > be somebody who'd avoided there, disdained that as
> > well, and s/he's not even intrested in having your
> > number, so don't get to cocky, old cock ...
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Uh, yeah. I think he was being sarcastic about the
> > > books. But hey, it gave you another opportunity to
> > > expound. Gives the newbies a starting point, and
> > > makes you feel ever so clever.
> >
> > Anybody can look this stuff up, I just already have
> > happened to have done the legwork, not to mention the
> > reading, is all. Does make me feel helpful, at least,
> > not to mention hopeful that the effort has not gone,
> > will not go to waste ...
> >
> > But does it make you feel NOT so clever, to the point
> > you need to compensate by being a complete, not to
> > mention uninteresting (and there's your worst offense,
> > Daniel, insisting on being so thoroughly NOT clever,
> > so thoroughly boring) bastard? Do let us know ...
Shut up & dance.
> >
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detected no sarcasm there
So what are those less obvious books, records, et al.
you so anything but obviously have such intimate and
encyclopedic knowledge of, M. Geddes? You've
demonstrated not even a working knowledge of the few
"obvious" titles (books, records, films, what have
you) I've mentioned in my few post here. As they say
in American football, O Danny Boy, you're all mouth
and no hit ...
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yes, see that's the problem. You probably WOULDN'T
> detect it. I'm 99.99% sure that Andy feels he has
> a grasp on this whole mod thing.
Andy I'm sure can speak for himself here, so ...
> All of your book choices are the most obvious ones
> that everyone has known about for eons. You're just
> so overblown, pompous, ridiculous, redundant,
> obvious, and sadly typical of a certain type,
Note the self-referentiality of your sentence here so
far, by the way ...
> that I literally laugh out loud at what you write.
Again, entertainment value ...
> Aren't you getting carpal tunnel syndrome from
> regurgitating this stuff and tacking your name on
> the end?
Arthritic, actually, but thank you for your concern.
And considering I received a copy of The Influential
Factor from Graham Lentz upon its publication a short
while back, "eons" is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
And I believe my name appears above, not below here,
so ... so stand and deliver, Daniel, or sit down and
shut up. Next ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:03:48 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detected no sarcasm there
Actually they DON'T say that in American football, but
of course you knew that already. My dear, I've owned all
of those books for many many many years (with the obvious exception
of the newer ones...), but how would one "demonstrate a working
knowledge" of this?
Am I supposed to quote verbatim? (oh wait, that's YOUR bag...)
WHY would someone wish to do this anyway? I feel absolutely zero
need to demonstrate anything. You, on the other hand, have a desperate
need to do so...
Dan
Arriva Dorellik wrote:
> So what are those less obvious books, records, et al.
> you so anything but obviously have such intimate and
> encyclopedic knowledge of, M. Geddes? You've
> demonstrated not even a working knowledge of the few
> "obvious" titles (books, records, films, what have
> you) I've mentioned in my few post here. As they say
> in American football, O Danny Boy, you're all mouth
> and no hit ...
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Yes, see that's the problem. You probably WOULDN'T
> > detect it. I'm 99.99% sure that Andy feels he has
> > a grasp on this whole mod thing.
>
> Andy I'm sure can speak for himself here, so ...
>
> > All of your book choices are the most obvious ones
> > that everyone has known about for eons. You're just
> > so overblown, pompous, ridiculous, redundant,
> > obvious, and sadly typical of a certain type,
>
> Note the self-referentiality of your sentence here so
> far, by the way ...
>
> > that I literally laugh out loud at what you write.
>
> Again, entertainment value ...
>
> > Aren't you getting carpal tunnel syndrome from
> > regurgitating this stuff and tacking your name on
> > the end?
>
> Arthritic, actually, but thank you for your concern.
> And considering I received a copy of The Influential
> Factor from Graham Lentz upon its publication a short
> while back, "eons" is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
> And I believe my name appears above, not below here,
> so ... so stand and deliver, Daniel, or sit down and
> shut up. Next ...
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:05:12 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detected no sarcasm there
Great. Can you quote some Oasis lyrics for me now?
bi polarbear wrote:
> Shut up & dance.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
People ask questions, I answer them if and to the
extent that I can, esp. when no one else seems to be
interested in doing so, and keeping in mind that one
cannot assume that everybody reading will have been
there, done that (which, in your case, would be where,
what?) ...
If one does NOT mention the elementary, the essential,
the so-called obvious (to whom, exactly?) here, is one
then to be castigated for not even knowing THAT much?
At any rate, I question the logic of questioning what
someone does or doesn't know by a stubborn refusal to
indicated ANY knowledge of ANYTHING whatsoever ...
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually they DON'T say that in American football,
> but of course you knew that already.
Heard it often enough, from friends watching, playing,
whatever. Perhaps it was before your time (which I
suspect is somewhat more recent than my own) ...
> My dear, I've owned all of those books for many many
> many years (with the obvious exception of the newer
> ones...), but how would one "demonstrate a working
> knowledge" of this? Am I supposed to quote
> verbatim? (oh wait, that's YOUR bag...)
Have I quoted any of the works mentioned (or not, for
that matter), verbatim or otherwise? Really, Danny
Boy, do read more carefully here ...
> WHY would someone wish to do this anyway? I feel
> absolutely zero need to demonstrate anything.
Then you should also feel zero need to
> You, on the other hand, have a desperate need to do
> so...
See above. In the meantime, you've yet to give even a
vague indication of your allegedly vast knowledge of
"mod culture" or whatever beyond the presumed,
admitted basics I've hinted at here. Again, Dan the
Man, what (else) to listen to, what (else) to read. I
and the record/book dealers I patronize await your
answer and will no doubt hang on your every word ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
Hm, something went missing here ...
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > WHY would someone wish to do this anyway? I feel
> > absolutely zero need to demonstrate anything.
>
> Then you should also feel zero need to
Then you should also feel zero need to assert some
superiority you refuse to and perhaps can not
demonstrate. You apparently feel only the need to be
a complete and utter shitbag, Danny Dearest ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:08:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
Know thy enemy, is my motto ...
--- Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it was before your time (which I suspect is
> somewhat more recent than my own) ...
Just stumbled upon this ...
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:04:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Andies Candies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: "old timers"
>
> Yeah, I'm loving this too - - I just got through
> reading all the modslist posts, and I tell you, I
> think I'm the oldest person there at 31 come next
> Saturday!!!!
>
> - -Andrea
Nope, there are plenty of folks around your age or
older on there. We just all act like we're 16...
Dan
http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0002/msg00387.html
Either/or. By the way, I've owned most of those books
since their initial publication, Daniel. Difference
is, I don't have an Attitude about it ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
And I don't know that the enemy of my enemy is
necessarily my friend (a lesson in both politics and
semantics that the U.S. might well end up learning the
hard way in the wake of 11 September 2002), but ...
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From: Mr. Love
Subject: Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 801
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I haven't said anything in a while...
hmmm... how can I start...??? Maybe by saying Dan
Geddes blows donkey dong... hmmmm... I guess that will
do...
Goodbye once again,
Davy Love
=====
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10374.html
... but speaking of "Love Loves to Love" ... at any
rate, you're neither the most informative nor the most
popular fellow around these parts, are you, Mr.
Geddes? And with so much to give, to share ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:12:08 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Detected no sarcasm there
Oh my Lord - I can't believe this.
I was indeed being sarcastic about the books - I actually thought for ages
that you were having a joke yourself - surely nobody could go on like that
in seriousness?
You can't decide how entitled to a respected opinion on Mod someone is by
the extent of their library!
Where do you live, Iceland?
Have you ever got time to leave the house?
In my opinion nobody who has written any of those books is respected by the
current crop of Mods (certainly not in London, where the authors are
generally from) and I'm yet to hear of a book that actually has it all
right. You can't write a book explaining the Mod scene because, believe it
or not, it is still changing. Different records and styles of music fade in
and out of popularity all the time.
You can get a handle on one person's view of a historical movement - but who
gives a toss about that? The point of my sarcasm was that you can't actually
have a valid opinion unless you're out there all the time living the life.
You stick to your academic studies (and more power to you) and I'll stick to
being a Mod.
Everyone's a winner. But if you really want to know what's going on - get
out of the house and down to the clubs, yeah?
-----Original Message-----
From: Arriva Dorellik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 August 2002 06:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Detected no sarcasm there
So what are those less obvious books, records, et al.
you so anything but obviously have such intimate and
encyclopedic knowledge of, M. Geddes? You've
demonstrated not even a working knowledge of the few
"obvious" titles (books, records, films, what have
you) I've mentioned in my few post here. As they say
in American football, O Danny Boy, you're all mouth
and no hit ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:56:55 +0200
From: "Pablo de la Cruz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detect some sarcasm here ...
So now you're lining up with Davy Love. Great - not the wisest of moves, but
great nevertheless.
Am I the only one thinking that this is becoming way too silly?
---Pablo de la Cruz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arriva Dorellik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> And I don't know that the enemy of my enemy is
> necessarily my friend (a lesson in both politics and
> semantics that the U.S. might well end up learning the
> hard way in the wake of 11 September 2002), but ...
>
> Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 801
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Mr. Love
> Subject: Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 801
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:27:53 -0800
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> I haven't said anything in a while...
> hmmm... how can I start...??? Maybe by saying Dan
> Geddes blows donkey dong... hmmmm... I guess that will
> do...
>
> Goodbye once again,
> Davy Love
>
> =====
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10374.html
>
> ... but speaking of "Love Loves to Love" ... at any
> rate, you're neither the most informative nor the most
> popular fellow around these parts, are you, Mr.
> Geddes? And with so much to give, to share ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:29:04 +0000
From: "Helen Dansette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dick Hebdige
Arriva suggested:
>Hebdige, Dick. "The Style of the Mods."
Ah, now this is interesting - I work at the library at the Univeristy of
Birmingham, and I've seen this work by Hebdige, but saw that it was only a
photocopied essay. Have you found it as a book, or in a book which is a
collection of essays? (just wondering...). I've only found one of these
photocopies in this library (there should be 2), and it's lost a couple of
pages.
By the way, just to air my opinion, I really don't enjoy Northern Soul. It's
very samey. Which could be said about most sorts of music (after all, it has
to be pretty samey if it's been put under the same umbrella), but it's just
not my scene. I like Easy Listening, tho', so what would I know?
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detected no sarcasm there
Very well, then, I do indeed stand corrected ...
--- AndyBB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oh my Lord - I can't believe this.
> I was indeed being sarcastic about the books - I
> actually thought for ages that you were having a
> joke yourself - surely nobody could go on like that
> in seriousness?
But do keep in mind not everybody knows everything
about everything, not even yourself ...
> You can't decide how entitled to a respected opinion
> on Mod someone is by the extent of their library!
Nor by anything else here, so far. The only really
useful information I've seen so far here on any
regular basis are those playlists posted by that
Spanish (?) guy, which I follow up on from time to
time ...
> Where do you live, Iceland?
Sorry, don't have a spare room, or couch, or floor, so
...
> Have you ever got time to leave the house?
Here's where I "literally laugh out loud." I
generally only go home to sleep, if even ...
> In my opinion nobody who has written any of those
> books is respected by the current crop of Mods
> (certainly not in London, where the authors are
> generally from)
Kids never respect their elders, do they? This has
its pros (innovation) and cons (cluelessness), but ...
but Messrs. Barnes, Hewitt and Lentz do seem to have
done their rsearch, at least. Of course, publication
can't keep up with What's Happening Right Now at This
Minute, but, hey, I would have thought that that's
what a forum like this would be for. Question is,
what IS it for? Mere club listings? That's it? At
least I'm finally getting some discussion here, at
least I've finally had someone say, hey, it's not
simple nostalgia. My point exactly. Very good ...
> and I'm yet to hear of a book that actually has it
> all right.
And you never will, especially about so ephemeral and
even evasive subject as a youth/music/fashion/whatever
subculture. One can try to get at some of it, at
least, but print will always lag behind. I was happy,
however, to see both Lentz and Hewitt follow up on mod
as a still viable scene ...
> You can't write a book explaining the Mod scene
> because, believe it or not, it is still changing.
This a point I myself have made more than once in the
past several days, even the past several sentences
here, though I've had little luck in cajoling anyone
into demonstrating just how so. Vague intimations
(not to mention intimidations) at best ...
> Different records and styles of music fade in and
> out of popularity all the time.
Again, I've said as much myself, emphasizing the
"modernism" at the source of "mod." But note that
they do NOT fade out of history. As with any such
culture (musical, literary, whatever), there IS a(n
ever-shifting, albeit never-quite-entirely-changing)
mod canon (records, clothes, scooters, et al.), there
are certain guidelines to which one seems expected to,
if not adhere, pay due heed to. Whilst innovating
within/around them. Damned if you do, damned if you
don't ...
Another interesting tension here, by the way, a
scene/movement/subculture/whatever caught between a
reverence for the past and an imperative to keep
things fresh. Lentz's and Hewitt's books, whatever
else you might have to say about them, are especially
interesting here, as they in particular demonstrate
this process. Seems to me that perhaps you all would
be as disavowed by "original" mods (or any successors
along the line) as perhaps you might disavow them.
Interesting parallels to the history of Christianity
abound, but ...
Of course, even hardcore nostalgic Elvis (or whatever)
fandom undergoes change, compromise, mutation,
innovation, even, over time, but ... but mod takes the
peculiar position of insisting on looking both ways at
once. I believe we (all?) agree on this ...
And there have been offshoots and fellow (not to
mention lady) travellers et al. along the way:
skinheads, suedeheads, soulboys (soulies? less
gendered, very good), so-called casuals; Freakbeat,
Acid Jazz, Britpop, perhaps Big Beat, even (here's an
interesting question: would you buy/dance to/spin a
record with a drum machine track on it?) ...
> You can get a handle on one person's view of a
> historical movement - but who gives a toss about
> that? The point of my sarcasm was that you can't
> actually have a valid opinion unless you're out
> there all the time living the life.
And, presumably, unless you are in some presumably
privileged, authorized, whatever, position? E.g.,
London? England? The U.K.? Meaning, if you're not
In the City (quoting verbatim there, pick yr band
...), you're out of it? Seems to me there are
thriving scenes in America, Canada, Spain, Italy,
France, Sweden, Japan, Australia, et al. ...
And, even where there might not be "scene" per se,
there are Those Who Know, and maybe even Those Who
Know Better. I don't count myself among any of these,
by the way, I'm more One Who Is Interested But Isn't
Learning a Whole Lot Here, but, without being among
the Inetranational Jet Set, I do get to what I can get
to, when I can get to it ...
I would have thought the potential cosmopolitanism of
the Internet would have facilitated crosspolination
here, rather than have increased snobbery, insularity,
provincialism and even outright hostility ...
> You stick to your academic studies (and more power
> to you) and I'll stick to being a Mod.
Maybe I'll even stick to both ...
> Everyone's a winner ...
Baby ...
> But if you really want to know what's going on - get
> out of the house and down to the clubs, yeah?
Ye-ye. But, again, my question is, what's going on in
all those clubs I can't get to? All those times I
can't get to them? What's (to quote verbatim again
...) Going On? Where? Everywhere? Me, I'll happily
purchase/listen to/dance to/spin/whatever, say, ye-ye
records, soundtrack cuts, library music, all sorts of
contemporary records which simply just seem to fit in,
is all ...
All this nastiness over my attempting to answer a
question for someone who was seemingly interested in
some simple advice about a box set, about, say, where
to begin? 'Cos you do have to begin somewhere, and
the beginning isn't necessarily the worst place to do
it. How'd you all get into any of this in the first
place? You weren't born with the records, clothes, et
al. Being short with newcomers (and then some) is not
the way to populate your record stores, boutiques,
club nights or even chatrooms ...
Okay, NOW my hands hurt, and I STILL haven't been
impressed by anyone's presumably superior tastes
and/or knowledge ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detect some sarcasm here ...
Well, I don't know who he was/is, but he got rather to
the point, at least, something I'm admittedly
incapable of doing. Apparently, Mr. Geddes has a
certain Way with people here ...
--- Pablo de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So now you're lining up with Davy Love. Great - not
> the wisest of moves, but great nevertheless.
>
> Am I the only one thinking that this is becoming way
> too silly?
The insults are silly. The raising of substantial
issues worthy of substantial discussion--thank you,
Andy, despite yr depicable cruelty--is not ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dick Hebdige
I actually received a mimeographed (old skool!) copy
(all pages present and accounted for), presumably from
the University, via amazon.co.uk, but Hebdige's paper,
"The Maening of Mod," in Resistance through Rituals:
Youth Subcultures in Post-War Britain, ed. Stuart Hall
and Tony Jefferson (currently published by Routledge),
is substantially the same, so ...
So here are a few things that might be of interest as
well ...
http://web.syr.edu/~tjconnel/145/Hebdige-Subculture.html
http://pers-www.wlv.ac.uk/~fa1871/bibyouth.html
http://www.cas.usf.edu/communication/rodman/biblio/biblio-front.html
And thanks for a nonhostile response ...
--- Helen Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arriva suggested:
> >Hebdige, Dick. "The Style of the Mods."
>
> Ah, now this is interesting - I work at the library
> at the Univeristy of Birmingham, and I've seen this
> work by Hebdige, but saw that it was only a
> photocopied essay. Have you found it as a book, or
> in a book which is a collection of essays? (just
> wondering...). I've only found one of these
> photocopies in this library (there should be 2), and
> it's lost a couple of pages.
>
> By the way, just to air my opinion, I really don't
> enjoy Northern Soul. It's very samey. Which could be
> said about most sorts of music (after all, it has
> to be pretty samey if it's been put under the same
> umbrella), but it's just not my scene. I like Easy
> Listening, tho', so what would I know?
I love much of what's fallen under the Northern Soul
rubric (as well as much Easy Listening). Just not
each and every last bit of it. Sorry to have caused
any confusion, much less offense, in that regard. But
I do get the impression, if only from a few too many
dodgy compilations, that there's too much emphasis on
rarity, at the expense of being consitently
interesting ...
But I also realize that this has as much to do with
licensing problems as anything, and, of course, that
imperative the constantly winnow out something new
from the unfortunately not-quite-endless back
catalogue of old soul records. But, again, tastes do
change, and that's what I'm interested in here, if
only someone would tell me how they've done so in
their own little (or not so littel) corner of this mod
mod mod mod world ...
> love from Helen.
Right back atcha. Thanks again ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:00:13 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Dick Hebdige
Oh stop being a martyr - you should have been here when we used to really
pick on people.
Just that I saw someone named after a comic-book character come on and start
talking (in the academic way of one with not enough experiential evidence)
about Mod being ever-changing etc.
We've had so many people pop-up to try to put the same point before
disappearing a week later, to make us all extremely wary of it.
Aren't you going to try the Mod = Modern = now argument?
To answer some questions.
Hebdidge is only available in Essay print-out form (at least if you get it
from Amazon, that is what you'll get).
The most popular Soul/Mod record at the moment has to be Nolan Porter's If I
could only be sure - guaranteed to empty dance floors a couple of years ago
- guaranteed to fill em now. We are changing, but that doesn't mean we're
discovering 'new' things. We'll leave that to the indie-kids and the
scallies. (By the way it's unlikely to be the most popular record next week
as it's already on the wane)
R&B phases in and out of popularity all the time with many people I know
cyclically preferring it to Soul, then Soul to it etc.
Your point about Northern Soul and rarity value is the one I jumped on. It's
a point I have made myself in the past, but (and I know) it is a point made
in total ignorance (as is the "it all sounds the same" one). You made your
point based on 'dodgy compilation cd's' - well what do you expect?
There is no way you can experience the diversity and majesty of Northern
Soul unless you're out there at allnighters every week and getting the buzz
from the people on the scene. It's as vibrant as hell and the vast amounts
of money people are prepared to pay for 45s is an indication of the passion
for the scene and the existence of amazing tunes.
We've had so many people pop-up to try to put the same point before
disappearing a week later to be wary of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arriva Dorellik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 August 2002 12:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dick Hebdige
I actually received a mimeographed (old skool!) copy
(all pages present and accounted for), presumably from
the University, via amazon.co.uk, but Hebdige's paper,
"The Maening of Mod," in Resistance through Rituals:
Youth Subcultures in Post-War Britain, ed. Stuart Hall
and Tony Jefferson (currently published by Routledge),
is substantially the same, so ...
So here are a few things that might be of interest as
well ...
http://web.syr.edu/~tjconnel/145/Hebdige-Subculture.html
http://pers-www.wlv.ac.uk/~fa1871/bibyouth.html
http://www.cas.usf.edu/communication/rodman/biblio/biblio-front.html
And thanks for a nonhostile response ...
--- Helen Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arriva suggested:
> >Hebdige, Dick. "The Style of the Mods."
>
> Ah, now this is interesting - I work at the library
> at the Univeristy of Birmingham, and I've seen this
> work by Hebdige, but saw that it was only a
> photocopied essay. Have you found it as a book, or
> in a book which is a collection of essays? (just
> wondering...). I've only found one of these
> photocopies in this library (there should be 2), and
> it's lost a couple of pages.
>
> By the way, just to air my opinion, I really don't
> enjoy Northern Soul. It's very samey. Which could be
> said about most sorts of music (after all, it has
> to be pretty samey if it's been put under the same
> umbrella), but it's just not my scene. I like Easy
> Listening, tho', so what would I know?
I love much of what's fallen under the Northern Soul
rubric (as well as much Easy Listening). Just not
each and every last bit of it. Sorry to have caused
any confusion, much less offense, in that regard. But
I do get the impression, if only from a few too many
dodgy compilations, that there's too much emphasis on
rarity, at the expense of being consitently
interesting ...
But I also realize that this has as much to do with
licensing problems as anything, and, of course, that
imperative the constantly winnow out something new
from the unfortunately not-quite-endless back
catalogue of old soul records. But, again, tastes do
change, and that's what I'm interested in here, if
only someone would tell me how they've done so in
their own little (or not so littel) corner of this mod
mod mod mod world ...
> love from Helen.
Right back atcha. Thanks again ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:11:38 +0200
From: "Pablo de la Cruz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detect some sarcasm here ...
Presumably Mr Love still IS with us, but he left the list for pastures
greener ages ago, after causing (along with others whose names we also oh so
fondly remember) enough discomfort for literally dozens of listers
unsubscribbing to start several other more informative (and above all well
mannered) lists. If you want to know more, dig in the archives up to Feb
2000. Some of us, including Mr Geddes and I, stayed at the modslist. Why? In
my case it's just because I don't know how to unsubscribe ;-D. In my point
of view, the modslist is similar to the scarred wasteland where a Really Big
Battle was held long ago. Sometimes you manage to scavenge something useful.
As for the purportedly 'substantial' discussion: much of it has been talked
over and over again in a Groundhog Day way, resulting in those topics being
not funny anymore. The mod vs modernism debate, for instance, raises its
ugly head every ten months sharp. On the other hand, that Dick Hebidge bloke
seems truly interesting, thank you for the info.
---Pablo de la Cruz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arriva Dorellik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well, I don't know who he was/is, but he got rather to
> the point, at least, something I'm admittedly
> incapable of doing. Apparently, Mr. Geddes has a
> certain Way with people here ...
>
> --- Pablo de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > So now you're lining up with Davy Love. Great - not
> > the wisest of moves, but great nevertheless.
> >
> > Am I the only one thinking that this is becoming way
> > too silly?
>
> The insults are silly. The raising of substantial
> issues worthy of substantial discussion--thank you,
> Andy, despite yr depicable cruelty--is not ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detect some sarcasm here ...
I know well the dangers of not being in on the ground
floor of these online discussions, believe you me.
Probelm here is, there's so little traffic, one gets
no real sense of what, if anything, might ever have
gone on regularly, besides the listings and insults
...
And I'm definitely curious about what might have been
said about "mod vs. modernism" here, so willconsult
the archives. But I'm also definitely here to
scavenge something useful myself (say, some
recommended listening ...?). Bricolage, as Dick
Hebdige (after Roland Barthes), has it ...
So now here's at least one instance where something
old hat to me is perhaps (further sarcasm
notwithstanding ...) new hat to someone else here.
See also his Subculture: The Meaning of Style, and his
chapter on scooters in his Hiding in the Light. Mod
sets out some interesting topics for discussion ...
--- Pablo de la Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> As for the purportedly 'substantial' discussion:
> much of it has been talked over and over again in a
> Groundhog Day way, resulting in those topics being
> not funny anymore. The mod vs modernism debate, for
> instance, raises its ugly head every ten months
> sharp. On the other hand, that Dick Hebidge bloke
> seems truly interesting, thank you for the info.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:27:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Dick Hebdige
Believe you me, I know my martyrs (another research
topic, with an eye towards working up some paintings),
and I'm used to abuse. I'm just not one to take it
without protest, esepcially as I think that doing so
only discourages others from participating ...
--- AndyBB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oh stop being a martyr - you should have been here
> when we used to really pick on people.
>
> Just that I saw someone named after a comic-book
> character come on and start talking (in the academic
> way of one with not enough experiential evidence)
Then you perhaps understand my wariness of anyone
talking in any which way without any evidence of,
well, much of anything beyond a particularly witless
will to bully? And the name is specifically cinematic
(you're thinking of Diabolik, or Satanik) ...
> about Mod being ever-changing etc.
> We've had so many people pop-up to try to put the
> same point before disappearing a week later, to make
> us all extremely wary of it.
No, I'll go on about anything so long as somebody'll
bat it back and forth with me. I raised the issue
only to acknowledge that mod is, indeed, not
canon-bound, not packageable in a box set or two; on
the other hand, those box sets can be very good places
to start, and, certainly, there are some essentials
...
> Aren't you going to try the Mod = Modern = now
> argument?
Thought I did already, albeit not so much as argument,
but rather as a statement of origins. I myself get
testy with anyone insisting on, say, all "authorized"
records, only by and on and before and blah blah blah
> To answer some questions.
> Hebdidge is only available in Essay print-out form
> (at least if you get it from Amazon, that is what
> you'll get).
Which is indeed what I received. Maybe the U of B
library might order from them, if no one's motivated
to drop by The Centre for Cultural Studies or whatever
and see if they've any spares ...?
> The most popular Soul/Mod record at the moment has
> to be Nolan Porter's If I could only be sure -
> guaranteed to empty dance floors a couple of years
> ago - guaranteed to fill em now.
Ah, thank you, this is indeed the kind of information
I'm interested in ...
> We are changing, but that doesn't mean we're
> discovering 'new' things. We'll leave that to the
> indie-kids and the scallies. (By the way it's
> unlikely to be the most popular record next week
> as it's already on the wane)
Mod = modernism = built-in obsolescence, alas ... but
ARE there new mod records? There are mod bands,
though I sense a strong distaste here for the
revivalists. Noonday Underground? The Bongolian?
Big Boss Groove? There anybody else on Blow Up these
days? Any other fellow travellers? Let me know ...
> R&B phases in and out of popularity all the time
> with many people I know cyclically preferring it to
> Soul, then Soul to it etc.
Again ...
> Your point about Northern Soul and rarity value is
> the one I jumped on. It's a point I have made myself
> in the past, but (and I know) it is a point made
> in total ignorance (as is the "it all sounds the
> same" one). You made your point based on 'dodgy
> compilation cd's' - well what do you expect?
Er, good ones? But I do think that Greatest NS All
Nighter ... Ever! comp really is, even if it's all
water under the bridge to fans, and those Talcum Soul
comps come very close, with (as I recall) no overlap
whatsoever. But in a scene given even more to both
connoisseurship and turnover ...
But it's also interesting the way that NS seems to
have eclipsed mod, to the point that soul has
seemingly been subsumed by NS. There ARE soul records
out there, I believe, quintessentially mod soul
records, which are decidedly NOT NS records ...
"Cooler," perhaps, not necessarily in the sense of
"better" (though decidely not "worse," either), but
... well, "Green Onions" comes to mind. Less
flamboyant, more laid back, with a more smouldering,
less, er, open-flamed, intensity about them. Sound
about right? Let me know. There ARE Differences ....
But note that such records were not recorded as such.
Frank Wilson didn't set out to make a Northern Soul
classic, nor did Booker T and the MGs have mods in
mind. It is indeed here, er, how you use it that
matters. Again, bricolage ...
> There is no way you can experience the diversity and
> majesty of Northern Soul unless you're out there at
> allnighters every week and getting the buzz
> from the people on the scene. It's as vibrant as
> hell and the vast amounts of money people are
> prepared to pay for 45s is an indication of the
> passion for the scene and the existence of amazing
> tunes.
No doubt. Far easier to get excited about something
when everybody around you is as well. There are
plenty of records I've picked up after hearing them in
clubs and found not nearly as exciting off the floor,
and there are plenty of records which have surprised
me by vastly exceeding my expectations once set loose
on a floorful, so ...
So thank you for a thoughtful and helpful answer. But
I remind you, people can jump in the conversation at
any time, and just because a topic's been discussed
once, doesn't mean it's been exhausted. For my part,
all I wanted to do was to say to somebody, hey,
nothing wrong with that Nuggets II box set, is all.
Though I'd still go with The In Crowd first ...
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:37:11 -0700
From: "Matthew W. Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:
So nice to see some life on the list again. Arriva, you have the snottiest
tone on the web. I think I have a crush on you.
Thanks for the handy reference list. Books on mod have proliferated to the
point that I can't remember what I haven't got.
A B-B, I don't think it's very mod to think so narrowly:
>Your list of music tastes suggests that you're 'into the sixties' rather
>than Mod though, no?
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:20:43 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
Quoting Davy Love (the Buddy-Hackett-with-a-bucket-of-chicken-
of mod) instantly invalidates any point you may have ever had.
Nice touch throwing in contemporary politics though...
completely irrelevant, but gives off that world-wise aura that
you so crave to project.
Dan
Arriva Dorellik wrote:
> And I don't know that the enemy of my enemy is
> necessarily my friend (a lesson in both politics and
> semantics that the U.S. might well end up learning the
> hard way in the wake of 11 September 2002), but ...
>
> Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 801
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Mr. Love
> Subject: Re: Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 801
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:27:53 -0800
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> I haven't said anything in a while...
> hmmm... how can I start...??? Maybe by saying Dan
> Geddes blows donkey dong... hmmmm... I guess that will
> do...
>
> Goodbye once again,
> Davy Love
>
> =====
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10374.html
>
> ... but speaking of "Love Loves to Love" ... at any
> rate, you're neither the most informative nor the most
> popular fellow around these parts, are you, Mr.
> Geddes? And with so much to give, to share ...
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:48:44 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Dick Hebdige
I'm embarrassed to admit that I own even this one.
It's a photocopied term paper or thesis, I believe.
Haven't looked at it in years.
Dan
Helen Barrell wrote:
> Arriva suggested:
> >Hebdige, Dick. "The Style of the Mods."
>
> Ah, now this is interesting - I work at the library at the Univeristy of
>
> Birmingham, and I've seen this work by Hebdige, but saw that it was only
> a
> photocopied essay. Have you found it as a book, or in a book which is a
> collection of essays? (just wondering...). I've only found one of these
> photocopies in this library (there should be 2), and it's lost a couple
> of
> pages.
>
> By the way, just to air my opinion, I really don't enjoy Northern Soul.
> It's
> very samey. Which could be said about most sorts of music (after all, it
> has
> to be pretty samey if it's been put under the same umbrella), but it's
> just
> not my scene. I like Easy Listening, tho', so what would I know?
>
> love from Helen.
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:49:56 +0000
From: Agent 99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: roller disco *this* saturday space is the place
Space Is The Place roller disco party is *this* Saturday, August 24th!
(there are 5 saturdays this month, we are always the 4th)
get ready to skate and go crazy 'cause you know we've been record
shopping!
i, for one, have all kinds of tasty new treats to lick your eardrums!
for info, pics, and surprises, just click the link:
http://rollerdisco.goodfoot.org
cheers!
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:53:52 +0000
From: Agent 99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Space Is The Place roller disco *this* saturday in L. A.
Space Is The Place roller disco party is *this* Saturday, August 24th!
(there are 5 saturdays this month, we are always the 4th)
get ready to skate and go crazy 'cause you know we've been record
shopping!
i, for one, have all kinds of tasty new treats to lick your eardrums!
for info, pics, and surprises, just click the link:
http://rollerdisco.goodfoot.org
cheers!
Riley More
p.s. if you want to get in a practice skate, i DJ at W.O.W. every
wednesday regular adult skate session from 8:30 pm - midnight for $5.
(no bar, just skating)
Saturday, August 24th, 2002 *10:00pm - 2:00am*
& every 4th Saturday of the month...
(do not get confused, there are 5 saturdays this month!!!)
Skate and dance to Funky Disco at World On Wheels Roller Skating Rink!
D.J.s: Rodi & Dennis (Good Foot!) Riley More (Shout!) will be spinning
the tightest jams known to man!
Upstairs Jazz Lounge 21+ bar will be OPEN with DJ's spinning bluenote,
funk, & rare-groove
$10. admission includes Skate Rental; your own skates or rollerblades
welcome! *18+*
World On Wheels 4645 1/2 Venice Blvd.
at San Vicente, just east of La Brea & Pico, Los Angeles (323) 933-3333
10 Santa Monica FRY. > exit Crenshaw, go North > Venice Blvd. go Left,
W.O.W. is on the right in the Midtown Lanes Shopping Center
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Detra Clary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: if you were going to London...
hi, i don't know if anyone answered this message, but
i'm heading to london in 2 days. i wanted to know if
there's anything important i should hit on a friday
night?
suggestions?
--- Brendon Macaraeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all from Los Angeles.
>
> I'm heading to London in Oct. and I'm looking for
> suggestion
> on places to see, specifically if you're into all
> things Mod.
> Club recommendations would be cool, too.
>
> I'm reading all the usual suspects for suggestions
> (TimeOut London,
> Rough Guide, Lonely Planet guide books, even pulled
> out my "The Who: Maximum R&B" by Richard Barnes for
> suggestions.
>
> Cheers,
> -Brendon
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:33:18 +0000
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: if you were going to London...
Well, I hear the latest thing with mods is roller-disco.
Bring the hot pants.
Dan
Detra Clary wrote:
> hi, i don't know if anyone answered this message, but
> i'm heading to london in 2 days. i wanted to know if
> there's anything important i should hit on a friday
> night?
>
> suggestions?
> --- Brendon Macaraeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey all from Los Angeles.
> >
> > I'm heading to London in Oct. and I'm looking for
> > suggestion
> > on places to see, specifically if you're into all
> > things Mod.
> > Club recommendations would be cool, too.
> >
> > I'm reading all the usual suspects for suggestions
> > (TimeOut London,
> > Rough Guide, Lonely Planet guide books, even pulled
> > out my "The Who: Maximum R&B" by Richard Barnes for
> > suggestions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Brendon
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:40:30 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Diabolik Returns This Saturday!
Hey everyone!
This Saturday, August 24th, DIABOLIK returns to the Werepad!
We're gonna have groovy go-go dancers, manic Mod visuals, far-out
furniture, and ultra-sonic sounds of psyche, soul, ye-ye, garage, and
r&b!
But this time, we're gonna have something new. . . film cameras! The
Werepad folks are interested in filming some party footage for a
project they're working on, so come on down, look your most swingin',
and be prepared to dance all night long!! (Note: You will be asked
to sign a release at the doors.)
Join djs Jodie, Sean, Dr. Scott, and Carlos along with special guest
Jon Burchard (The Idea) for a rockin' fun evening.
And remember, first 20 people will get a complimentary
Diabolik CD compiled by the Djs!
DIABOLIK starts at 10pm and goes on until 2am (or
later) at The Werepad:
2430 3rd Street between 20th and 22nd
$6 cover
For more information, visit our site
http://www.diabolik-sf.com, and leave us a message on
the guestbook!
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Detect some sarcasm here ...
More a Don Knotts and/or Jonathan Winters fan, but ..
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Davy Love (the Buddy-Hackett-with-a-bucket-
> of-chicken-of mod) instantly invalidates any point
> you may have ever had.
> Nice touch throwing in contemporary politics
> though... completely irrelevant, but gives off that
> world-wise aura that you so crave to project.
As opposed to, what, the world-wise aura you so
mistakenly believe you project via cynicism, sarcasm,
and a peculiar refusal/inability actually to
demonstrate your alleged superiority here? One in
every on-line crowd, yes, I know, but ....
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arriva Dorellik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Snotty? Sorry, will work on that. And here I thought
I'd gone to some pains to be quite humble here.
Certainly, I've been humilited ... but I'm quite
interested in the various mutations "mod' has
undergone, and continues to undergo, so I'm quite
interested in the opinions, aesthetics, et al., of
someone like Andy, who seems indeed to have taken
seriously perhaps a central dilemma here, of having
constantly to discover the new within the old (a
challenged indeed faced as well by your Northern Soul
brothers/sisters). I'm curious, though, have any of
you taken up, say, finding the old within the new?
Of, say, seeing just what you can get away with?
Expanding the canon, if you will? Let me know ...
--- "Matthew W. Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> So nice to see some life on the list again. Arriva,
> you have the snottiest tone on the web. I think I
> have a crush on you.
>
> Thanks for the handy reference list. Books on mod
> have proliferated to the point that I can't remember
> what I haven't got.
>
> A B-B, I don't think it's very mod to think so
> narrowly:
> >Your list of music tastes suggests that you're
> >'into the sixties' rather than Mod though, no?
Think, mod as an element of the sixties, or,
conversely, the sixties as an extension of mod ...
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:13:49 +0000
From: "Helen Dansette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another style article at uppers.org
Hello!
Please click on the link below to see my latest fashion article at
uppers.org, on making good use of your pet as a fashion accessory!
I hope you enjoy it and find it informative!
http://www.uppers.org/article.asp?article=407
love from Helen (tongue firmly in cheek).
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