I'm a bit biased as I'm a full-time Django developer, but your angst should be 
with macports and not with Django. Django is a single directory that contains 
no compiled code and following their fantastic documentation is really easy. 
Granted Django may be a bit more functionality than you need in a framework, 
but ease of installation and stellar documentation are two of it's strong 
traits. 

If you feel the need to use a "package manager", you really should be using 
easy_install or even better pip, but not macports. Assuming you're on a recent 
flavor of OS X, most of what you need is built-in to the o/s anyway. 

-Rob

On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Bradley Hintze <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am fairly comfortable with unix commands and security, I still have
> a lot to learn though.
> 
> I have a bad taste in my moth for Django as I installed it and
> couldn't find where the files were put, and thus couldn't follow the
> one and only Django tutorial. When I asked on the Django mailing list
> for help I got no response. I restored my machine to a previous
> back-up to get rid of all the Django 'stuff' wherever it was. If I
> could get help installing it correctly I might give it a go.
> 
> The problem that I'm seing is most these frameworks don't give you
> step by step instructions on how to download and install.
> How about pylons? I looked at their site and they have decent
> instructions AND tutorials. Surprisingly, I have yet to come across a
> tutorial outlining how to retrieve user input from a form which should
> be, from my limited view, the primary function of a framework as that
> is the crucial aspect of a dynamic web app. If anyone knows of a good
> tutorial let me know.
> 
> Also, I've seen that some of these frameworks have you staat up their
> own server. Why run their server and apache? Or can theses frameworks
> use apache?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Damjan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I am making an app where I pass variables and run lots of scripts. I
>>> don't think a frame work can do what I am trying to do, manual control
>>> is a must. Plus the framework documentation that I've seen is
>>> difficult to understand. I was raised as a biochemist not a programmer
>>> ;) If you can point out an easy to understand frame work I'll
>>> certainty take a look.
>> 
>> Since you don't have much experience with Web apps or WSGI, I'd
>> strongly suggest to start with some framework.
>> 
>> Django has pretty good documentation and even if I personally don't
>> use it, I think it's very good for newbies. You could also look at
>> flask - it has great documentation too, but you need to know more
>> about web apps with it - http://flask.pocoo.org/. It's perhaps on the
>> opposite end of the spectrum of web frameworks compared to Django, but
>> has good documentation too.
>> 
>> 
>> From your comments in this group, I would not suggest you to use plain
>> WSGI. You will need to understand and know much more about http, html,
>> security issues etc.
>> 
>> Also, if your application is not going to be heavily visited, you
>> might not need mod_wsgi either. Most WSGI frameworks come with their
>> own python server.
>> 
>> And last, learn to use virtualenv and pip, and you will be able to
>> pack your entire web application, including Django in a single
>> directory.
>> 
>> And lear some Unix command line interface (or shell), it will really
>> make your life easier.
>> 
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