Hi Richard For me it was between the door locks, her indoors said she was fed up with me elbowing her in corners....;-)
BR Colin On 7 August 2012 13:55, Richard Jones <[email protected]>wrote: > Where is bodywidth apparent? > > Just my opinion, but It is in the wings, or more precisey the piece > between the wing and the cowl where it is easiest to see a difference - if > you look at at that area on a a wider bodied car compared to a narrower > model it is immediately apparent. If there are spotlights fitted the width > is very apparent as there is more width on one side of the light > Richard M800RGN+8 > > *From:* Roger Tatton <[email protected]> > *To:* mogtalk2 <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 11:36 > *Subject:* Re: [mogtalk2] Hard Tops, now wheels and body widths > ** > It all adds to the fun Owen. Having had a good look at the new +8 at > Donington it's about 9' 6" wide!!! > > The +4 always (well I'm talking M16 onwards really) had a frame narrower > at the front than a +8 and wider than a 4/4, but was much wider at the > rear (same as a +8 on alloys). Never understood why as it meant having a > whole new jig just for the +4 front. The newer +4s now have the same frame > front as the Roadster - a fairly recent change, my 2007 +4 is still > arrow-shaped. > > Roger > > > -- > On 07/08/2012 11:10, Owen Jenkins wrote:** > > Yes indeed, Roger. The wheels on my 4-seater are the chrome ones shown in > your photo. The tyres are 195/60R15, whereas the narrower wheels are > usually shod with 165 R15, if my memory serves me right. Can't remember the > profile as I've never used them (75 or 80, I think, or possibly the classic > American 78, or all of the foregoing). > > At the GTM's Vintage and Classic day recently, we were able to see the > differences, as there were two narrow bodied 4/4s and my wide one. Mind > you, it doesn't stop there. Some years ago at a JockMog Autumn weekend, we > measured the differences between my 1988 wide-bodied car and a mid-90s +4, > 4 seater. Although the overall width was the same, the body tub (the > tonneau, if you want to be clever - 'tonneau' is French for 'tun' or 'tub', > as wine enthusiasts will know) was wider on the +4. This could be because > of the bulkier gearbox making a wider body desirable so the driver's legs > and feet fit. On the other hand, it may have nothing whatsoever to do with > it. > > Standardization is not Morgan's strong suit. Rather the opposite, in fact. > > The width of +8s (not the latest ones, about which I know next to nothing) > varied from 4'9" to 5'9". Mine (2003 on alloys) is 5'4". The early 4.6 l. > cars on wide, 16" stainless wires were 5'9" and, when following one in > France in my 4/4, I concluded that its bum did, indeed, look big, > particularly in Connaught Green. On alloys, the width was much less. > > Now start looking at the distance between headlights and cowl and the > raised, mudguard part of the wing, and you will go mad. I think that just > depends on which batch of wings they used at the time or the sense of > humour of the bloke making them. They've moved in, they moved out (look at > 80s +8s), they've been midway (see my 2003 +8). > > Cheers, > Owen. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Tatton <[email protected]> > *To:* mogtalk2 <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: [mogtalk2] Hard Tops > > As a general rule the easy way is to look at the wheels; narrow-body cars > have 5.5 inch wheels with the outer row of spokes close to the outer rim, > wide-body cars have 6 inch wheels (same as +4) with a much deeper inset to > the outer row (photos attached which I hope I have made small enough!). The > hood rule only applies to later cars after the fold-away factory hood > arrived.****Roger** > **On 07/08/2012 08:31, e-mail colin.jones5857 wrote: > > Hi Owen > > When I was looking for another Morgan this spring I went through this as I > had seen a rather nice 4/4 at a dealer. the dealer could not tell me if it > was the wider or narrower body tub, I tried again with another dealer and > got very conflicting information that there is no way to tell (did not > believe that) then it was nailed on the head by one dealer who said 'its > simple, look at the windscreen and hood. If its a lift the dot on a 4/4 > its a standard narrow tub and if its an MMC quick fit hood its a wide tub > as there is only one width of windscreen and that's the clue to the tub > width'.....I have only checked it out on 2 cars and it seems to make sense. > > I bought a 2008 +4 in the end but measured a friends similar era 4/4 with > the later hood and sure enough between the door latches there was 1/4" > difference in the tub. Had that information been available at the very > first dealer I would have bought the car he was selling as it was just what > I was looking for. Maybe he could not be bothered (and it was the owner > that I spoke to not a member of staff and not a new dealer either!). > > BR > > Colin > > View posts on The Mail Archive > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > > ** > View posts on The Mail Archive > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > **** > > View posts on The Mail Archive > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- View posts on The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ [http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/] Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=22459785&id_secret=22459785-4a39ddf8 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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