On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 10:20 +0100, Ben O'Steen wrote: > On Wed, August 30, 2006 09:58, ted leslie wrote: > [snip] > > > > when i am talking "in a browser" i am talking about stuff that you can't > > handle with asp.net, like a full fledged arcade game (to take it to an > > extreme), a video/audio playing client, the power to properly sync video > > and audio, integrate with the local file system and other resources. > > ASP.NET and AJAX don't even get you 1% of the way there, and even flash > > is incredibly lacking in some of these areas. > > > Whilst I haven't put an awful lot of thought into it, can there be a middle > ground between 'ActiveX'-style browser apps and install-only apps? > > For example, instead of installing an app, or allowing "ActiveX-Mono" for want > of a better term, you might add a decrypting (public) key
yikes > to your keyring for > the application you wish to run. The 'add key' dialog might resemble the > pop-up you will see if you try to access a secure website, whose keys were not > created by a central certification authority. > > This would hopefully allow applications encrypted with the correct private key yikes (again) For the record, you encrypt with a public key, not a private key. But you're probably talking about signature, not encryption (which is done with a private key). Couldn't resist ;-) Sebastien > to run, and only those applications. Any others will be blocked by default. > (To be honest, I'd be happy if all browser plugins worked in this way, flash > especially. Thank you, FlashBlock.) > > This could be backed up, by limiting the Mono runtime which runs embedded in > the browser, to 'sand-box' the application. > > However, I can only see this being useful in a corporate setting, with many > people hot-desking or working from home, yet needing to access applications in > the same environment, wherever they are, and without really installing a > number of applications beforehand. > > Even then, there are probably better methods to achieve the same end result. > > > > > I have been involved with many projects, and the clients always have the > > same needs. The audience goes to a web site, and you want to make your > > sale QUICK (or viral growth), say its a podcast client, a community > > collaboration tool, casino games, whatever, and the clients don't want > > to hear about a install executable, or a pokey asp.net sol'n, they want, > > when i boils down to it, an active X plugin (vb, c, c++ depending on > > needs) (or Java), and it just runs right there, no fuss no muss. > > > > > > Programmers don't think twice about installing a gtk app, > > 99+% of web users will not touch it with a ten foot pole. > > They will move on to the next casino, or community collaboration tool > > that just works right there, and yes many times now, you can find it to > > be flash, but lets not even go there and discuss the use of flash. > > > > I am just saying, it would be nice if Mono answered everyones needs > > (w.r.t the general places that you deploy programs - i.e. stand alone > > apps, ajax, asp.net, scripts/command line, and lastly browser plugins ), > > and filled this rather HUGE void (all be it a particularly commercial > > one). > > > > > > > > -tl > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 08:11 +0100, damien churchill wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> From: damien churchill > >> Sent: 30 August 2006 08:11 > >> To: 'Justin Dearing' > >> Subject: RE: [Mono-dev] Mono 1.1.17 has been released. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yeah if you write your program in classes then it’s easy enough just > >> to make a gui for both web and desktop using asp/gtk whatever. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin > >> Dearing > >> Sent: 30 August 2006 08:00 > >> To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > >> Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono 1.1.17 has been released. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Don't mean to start a flame war here, but if you want the write once > >> run anywhere in a browser. If you can't do it in AJAX, do it in flash. > >> > >> Secondly, have you heard of ASP.NET, The equivilant of JSP for .NET. > >> Mono's support is pretty good. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Aside from needing C for linux kernel programming, > >> what would even be better then "write once, run anywhere", > >> is > >> "write for any purpose, write once, run anywhere" > >> and unfortunately mono has not provided a means to use it as a > >> browser > >> plugin like Java. For me i could go for just a plugin to > >> Firefox (linux > >> and Win32), wouldnt even need it to support IE. > >> Until this can occur, a programmer still has to Java or > >> (active x > >> plugin), to achieve web page integration. > >> Unfortunately not having this is a huge barrier to some people > >> adopting > >> mono. > >> Providing this (as even MS .Net doesn't seem to provide web > >> page plugin > >> ability of .Net) would put Mono over the top, and likely bring > >> many more > >> contributors on board making Mono grow much faster. > >> > >> > >> -tl > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mono-devel-list mailing list > >> Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mono-devel-list mailing list > > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mono-devel-list mailing list > Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list _______________________________________________ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list