My rudder does kick up on its own, yes.  I run a rope from the rudder blade, through a 
fiberglass "eye",
fiberglassed to the lowest point on the back of the skeg (I'll send pics of this to 
Doug to post on the MSOG
site when I get them digitized), to keep the blade deployed underway (the blade isn't 
heavy enough to stay
down on its own, and wouldn't be practical if it was).  I use a "stretchy" rope, lead 
to a cam-cleat at the
top of the rudder stock.  This is an imperfect solution, though, because twice I've 
grounded hard enough that
the "down" rope damaged the skeg-eye.  Next season, the inside diameter of the eye 
will be lined with a
stainless or bronze tube, and the "rope" will be a bungy:  I think this combination, 
stronger skeg-eye,
stretchier rope, will prevent grounding damage.  So, yes, my rudder, as currently 
configured, kicks up on its
own when I ground, although really hard groundings have unpleasant consequences, and I 
hope that next season's
solution will accommodate really hard groundings with no consequences whatsoever . . .

I have a rope that lifts the blade, also, for retrieval at the boat-ramp, or for 
shallow-water sailing
(although, with shallow-water sailing, expect very heavy helm with the "L" shaped 
position of the blade, a
problem people with the stock 17' rudder don't have).  I suppose, when shallow-water 
sailing, I could control
the depth/angle of the blade with tension between the lifting rope and the "downhaul" 
(rope through the
skeg-eye):  I haven't done enough shallow-water sailing to bother to try this yet, so 
my experience with the
blade is in two positions, all the way up, and all the way down.

I love my kick-up:  It allows a transom-mount traveler, and, ideally (when I make the 
changes described
above), will free me from worrying about groundings.  When the blade is fully 
deployed, I don't notice any
difference in helm or performance from the old stock rudder.  The kick-up isn't for 
everyone, but it's been a
good change for me, with Lake Michigan water levels at record lows.

----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:22 PM
Subject: Grounding durability

All your points made about grounding are good ones.  A kickup rudder is de
riguer around here.  I have seen and sailed a Montgomery once-an M-15, and a
beautiful boat it was.  It had a very cool kickup rudder that actuated by raising
the tiller.  Does this rudder "kick up" on its own when it hits an
obstruction?


Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"




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