Steve, Thanks for the information on raising the mast. The link was very helpfull.
Do you have any experience sailing solo and how to set the sheets for this? A picture of how the sheets and accompanying fairleads and cam cleats would be great. Where are you located? Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: M_Boats: New Monty 15 owner introduction (Steve R.) > 2. RE: Sanibel 17 (Todd N. Swift) > 3. Re: RE: Downsizing (MC Carpenter) > 4. Re: RE: Downsizing (Smitty) > 5. Re: RE: Downsizing (David Thomason) > 6. Re: RE: Downsizing (Doug Kelch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:29:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Steve R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fwd: M_Boats: New Monty 15 owner introduction > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi Norm, > > Welcome to our group. > > About raising the mast, once you have seen it done it is a piece of cake. > > There is advice on set-up from Jerry M. on the msog.org website: > > http://msog.org/models/m15/m15_setuprig.cfm > > I added a line for a jib downhaul. You may have one now. It runs back from the bow fitting through several fairleads and is secured with a clam cleat on the side of the cabin. When I lower the jib and remove it, I leave the downhaul attached to the jib halyard fitting. (There is a small loop in the end of the downhaul.) The other end of the halyard is of course cleated off on the mast. > > With the mast in the highway travel position, I uncleat the downhaul and make sure it has some slack. > > I have a mast cradle that has a roller. I untie the front end of the mast from the trailer support, then roll the mast back and bolt the mast base in. (I am thinking of going with a slotted tabernacle to eliminate the bolt, as has been discussed in recent days.) > > Now I stand in the cockpit. I have the jib downhaul line in one hand. I take the slack out of the downhaul. I lift the mast with the other hand. If I need to stop at any point on the way up, I simply take out the slack and cleat the downhaul. The mast stays in place. I can then reposition to raise the mast the rest of the way, or untangle anything that is snagged. When the mast is up, I cleat the downhaul. Again, the mast stays in place. I have the forestay coiled up and fastened to the mast with a bungee cord. I remove the bungee and walk to the bow to fasten the forestay. > > It takes a lot longer to write about it than to do it. > > When you remove the sails and lower the mast, you just have to do things in a way so that you will be organized for the next time you go sailing. For example, I leave the main on the boom. > > Good luck. You have a great place to sail. > > steve > > Steve R. > M-15 #119 > Lexington, KY > > --- Norm Bundek "nbundek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Subject: M_Boats: New Monty 15 owner introduction > > I just bought a 1981 Montgomery 15' hull number 172. > > <...> > > I only need to figure out a way to raise the mast by myself and set up the sails for single sailing. Any suggestions? > > <...> > > If there are any Montgomery's in the Ventura area, please > contact me to sail around the area. > > Norm Bundek > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:49:23 -0600 > From: "Todd N. Swift" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: M_Boats: RE: Sanibel 17 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Craig et al., > Yep - it's the one with the offset centerboard (to port). That really > makes the cabin nice for camping. I don't notice a performance > difference on different tacks due to the centerboard, but I'm a fairly > green sailor. I like the short stub keel for getting it on the trailer > and for beaching when we camp on the Mississippi. I suspect the M17 is > considerably faster and better to weather - which is why I'm interested > in them. My boat is Anduin - pictures of her are at www.widgetsailor.com > if you go down and click on Anduin. > > I do have one 'speed' experience - take it for what it's worth! Our > sailing club has one overnight race each year down to a campground on > the Mississippi River. We race down (with current) on Saturday, camp, > and sail back (if possible) on Sunday. This year, the Saturday race was > 15 miles directly against a fairly strong wind. We couldn't point as > well as a Catalina22 and an Oday222 that we started with so spent most > of our day tacking without making a lot of headway. We eventually gave > up with about 5 miles to go and motored the rest of the way. We would > have been an hour or more slower than the Catalina. However, on Sunday, > we had a strong wind directly against the current so we had a run all > the way back. We started about 20 minutes ahead of most of the smaller > boat fleet and it took them more than 3/4 of the way back to catch us. > That was much more fun! > > So the only issue I have with the boat is its speed which is probably as > much a factor of my ability as the boat. I'm never in a hurry, but when > the spring floods come, the current is comparable to our boat speed and > thus we often have a hard time going where we want to go while the > Catalina and oday are just enough faster that they have much more > flexibility on the river. > > Todd > Dubuque, IA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:20:43 -0500 > From: "Craig F. Honshell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The Sanibel 17' is a REALLY cool little boat, Todd. I'd like to hear > more from you. > Is the Sanibel the one with the offset centerboard (not positioned at > the centerline > of the keel)? How does she perform? Does the offset board affect > performance? > Thanks. Fair winds, Craig Honshell, M17 #389 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:55:02 -0500 > From: "MC Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I think some of those small boats have water ballast. they may be light to > transport but how about the righting moment, or basic stability with out a > heavy keel. So I wonder how good they would be in choppy waters of San > Francisco Bay like around Angel Island. I have never heard of a water > ballast sailboat self rescuing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Kelch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > Mike, > > > > I am an M15 owner and love. I can raise the mast 1 > > handed with no mechanical advantage at all. I am 5' > > 8". > > > > I have a video of Howard Audsley raising and lowering > > the mast on his M17 using a line from the winch to the > > forestay - one hand on the line and one hand on the > > mast. I could make a copy if you are interested. > > > > I have been on a couple of cruises with the Shallow > > water sailors. They predominantly sail in protected > > waters with Dovkies, Bay Hen, Peep Hens, and several > > Bolger boats. > > > > In 1 reef conditions (18 kts with gusts to 20+, > > protected water with no waves) the M15 towing a 15 ft > > light dory was faster than the Peep Hen. However I > > think the Peep Hen is a wonderful boat for it's design > > purpose which is a beachable protected water cruising > > boat. > > > > The Peep Hen sails pretty well for a high freeboard 14 > > ft boat and has more cabin space than the M15. > > > > Thanks > > > > Doug Kelch > > "Seas the Day" > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Mike > >> If your going to sail SF bay, you need something > >> more seaworthy than a sea > >> pearl or peep hen. Those are warm clime beach boats > >> (sea pearl was on my short > >> list until i needed a cabin and portapotti (new > >> wife). dont regret going with > >> the M-15. As John said, a little organization and > >> she will be the easiest boat > >> ever to rig and launch (my 2 HP honda rides on the > >> boat). She will take the > >> steep chop and high winds. Re the cat boat, IMHO the > >> sloop rig of the M-15 is > >> better pointing into the wind. Why is my destination > >> always upwind no matter > >> what? My suggestion, buy a new M-15. > >> Good Luck > >> Don M-15 Sweet Dream > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:13:53 -0600 > From: "Smitty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > To: "MC Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The Sea Pearl will sail well in very rough conditions, however if pushed hard > enough it will swamp before it turns turtle. I always had a large canoe air bag > under the rear cockpit, but never had occasion to swamp her to see how it would > work out. Factory floatation seems to be minimal. If the cover is on the front > cockpit, she will roll back upright. The aft cockpit is self draining. The > Pearl is best for the skinny water and moderate winds. The water ballast seems > to work well. The boat is much more stable with full tanks and makes better > headway in chop with full tanks. It won't point as high as an M boat, I'm sure. > With empty tanks she will scoot along with the lightest of winds. The trimaran > version has a slightly larger convertible cabin, but is still rather tiny. > Smitty > Del Rio, TX > (stillwithoutanMboatdepartment) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MC Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > I think some of those small boats have water ballast. they may be light to > > transport but how about the righting moment, or basic stability with out a > > heavy keel. So I wonder how good they would be in choppy waters of San > > Francisco Bay like around Angel Island. I have never heard of a water > > ballast sailboat self rescuing > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Kelch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:59 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I am an M15 owner and love. I can raise the mast 1 > > > handed with no mechanical advantage at all. I am 5' > > > 8". > > > > > > I have a video of Howard Audsley raising and lowering > > > the mast on his M17 using a line from the winch to the > > > forestay - one hand on the line and one hand on the > > > mast. I could make a copy if you are interested. > > > > > > I have been on a couple of cruises with the Shallow > > > water sailors. They predominantly sail in protected > > > waters with Dovkies, Bay Hen, Peep Hens, and several > > > Bolger boats. > > > > > > In 1 reef conditions (18 kts with gusts to 20+, > > > protected water with no waves) the M15 towing a 15 ft > > > light dory was faster than the Peep Hen. However I > > > think the Peep Hen is a wonderful boat for it's design > > > purpose which is a beachable protected water cruising > > > boat. > > > > > > The Peep Hen sails pretty well for a high freeboard 14 > > > ft boat and has more cabin space than the M15. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Doug Kelch > > > "Seas the Day" > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> Mike > > >> If your going to sail SF bay, you need something > > >> more seaworthy than a sea > > >> pearl or peep hen. Those are warm clime beach boats > > >> (sea pearl was on my short > > >> list until i needed a cabin and portapotti (new > > >> wife). dont regret going with > > >> the M-15. As John said, a little organization and > > >> she will be the easiest boat > > >> ever to rig and launch (my 2 HP honda rides on the > > >> boat). She will take the > > >> steep chop and high winds. Re the cat boat, IMHO the > > >> sloop rig of the M-15 is > > >> better pointing into the wind. Why is my destination > > >> always upwind no matter > > >> what? My suggestion, buy a new M-15. > > >> Good Luck > > >> Don M-15 Sweet Dream > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:32:30 -0500 > From: "David Thomason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > The Discovery Channel had an interesting episode of the Myth Buster's > last night in which they managed to raise a sailboat of about 30 foot > using ping pong balls pumped into the cabin. I only caught the last few > minutes, so I'm not real sure of the size of the boat. Apparently, the > "myth" that you could do such a thing was inspired by an old Donald Duck > comic book. It took about 25,000 balls to "salvage" the boat... Some > folks have way too much time on their hands! I wonder how many > ping-pong balls will fit into the cabin of an M15? M17? Nor'sea 27??? > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/04 01:13PM >>> > The Sea Pearl will sail well in very rough conditions, however if pushed > hard > enough it will swamp before it turns turtle. I always had a large canoe > air bag > under the rear cockpit, but never had occasion to swamp her to see how > it would > work out. Factory floatation seems to be minimal. If the cover is on the > front > cockpit, she will roll back upright. The aft cockpit is self draining. > The > Pearl is best for the skinny water and moderate winds. The water ballast > seems > to work well. The boat is much more stable with full tanks and makes > better > headway in chop with full tanks. It won't point as high as an M boat, > I'm sure. > With empty tanks she will scoot along with the lightest of winds. The > trimaran > version has a slightly larger convertible cabin, but is still rather > tiny. > Smitty > Del Rio, TX > (stillwithoutanMboatdepartment) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MC Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > I think some of those small boats have water ballast. they may be > light to > > transport but how about the righting moment, or basic stability with > out a > > heavy keel. So I wonder how good they would be in choppy waters of San > > Francisco Bay like around Angel Island. I have never heard of a water > > ballast sailboat self rescuing > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Kelch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:59 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I am an M15 owner and love. I can raise the mast 1 > > > handed with no mechanical advantage at all. I am 5' > > > 8". > > > > > > I have a video of Howard Audsley raising and lowering > > > the mast on his M17 using a line from the winch to the > > > forestay - one hand on the line and one hand on the > > > mast. I could make a copy if you are interested. > > > > > > I have been on a couple of cruises with the Shallow > > > water sailors. They predominantly sail in protected > > > waters with Dovkies, Bay Hen, Peep Hens, and several > > > Bolger boats. > > > > > > In 1 reef conditions (18 kts with gusts to 20+, > > > protected water with no waves) the M15 towing a 15 ft > > > light dory was faster than the Peep Hen. However I > > > think the Peep Hen is a wonderful boat for it's design > > > purpose which is a beachable protected water cruising > > > boat. > > > > > > The Peep Hen sails pretty well for a high freeboard 14 > > > ft boat and has more cabin space than the M15. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Doug Kelch > > > "Seas the Day" > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> Mike > > >> If your going to sail SF bay, you need something > > >> more seaworthy than a sea > > >> pearl or peep hen. Those are warm clime beach boats > > >> (sea pearl was on my short > > >> list until i needed a cabin and portapotti (new > > >> wife). dont regret going with > > >> the M-15. As John said, a little organization and > > >> she will be the easiest boat > > >> ever to rig and launch (my 2 HP honda rides on the > > >> boat). She will take the > > >> steep chop and high winds. Re the cat boat, IMHO the > > >> sloop rig of the M-15 is > > >> better pointing into the wind. Why is my destination > > >> always upwind no matter > > >> what? My suggestion, buy a new M-15. > > >> Good Luck > > >> Don M-15 Sweet Dream > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:09:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Doug Kelch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > To: MC Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, For and about > Montgomery Sailboats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > MC, > > Like the Sea Pearl the Peep Hen is very unlikely to > turn turtle with the assistance of some pretty big > waves. With the high freeboard it will float on it's > side and take no water into the cockpit. > > One of the characteristics of many Bolger designs is > the high freeboard and it's safety aspects. > > The recent Birdwatcher design articles in Messing > about in boats talks to the issue very well. Just > don't take any river/inland lake boats out into the > big wave waters of SF Bay, Great Lakes, the exposed > portions Chesapeake Bay or offshore without a reliable > forecast (no such thing). > > Thanks > > Doug > --- MC Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think some of those small boats have water > > ballast. they may be light to > > transport but how about the righting moment, or > > basic stability with out a > > heavy keel. So I wonder how good they would be in > > choppy waters of San > > Francisco Bay like around Angel Island. I have > > never heard of a water > > ballast sailboat self rescuing > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Kelch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:59 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Downsizing > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I am an M15 owner and love. I can raise the mast 1 > > > handed with no mechanical advantage at all. I am > > 5' > > > 8". > > > > > > I have a video of Howard Audsley raising and > > lowering > > > the mast on his M17 using a line from the winch to > > the > > > forestay - one hand on the line and one hand on > > the > > > mast. I could make a copy if you are interested. > > > > > > I have been on a couple of cruises with the > > Shallow > > > water sailors. They predominantly sail in > > protected > > > waters with Dovkies, Bay Hen, Peep Hens, and > > several > > > Bolger boats. > > > > > > In 1 reef conditions (18 kts with gusts to 20+, > > > protected water with no waves) the M15 towing a 15 > > ft > > > light dory was faster than the Peep Hen. However > > I > > > think the Peep Hen is a wonderful boat for it's > > design > > > purpose which is a beachable protected water > > cruising > > > boat. > > > > > > The Peep Hen sails pretty well for a high > > freeboard 14 > > > ft boat and has more cabin space than the M15. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Doug Kelch > > > "Seas the Day" > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> Mike > > >> If your going to sail SF bay, you need something > > >> more seaworthy than a sea > > >> pearl or peep hen. Those are warm clime beach > > boats > > >> (sea pearl was on my short > > >> list until i needed a cabin and portapotti (new > > >> wife). dont regret going with > > >> the M-15. As John said, a little organization and > > >> she will be the easiest boat > > >> ever to rig and launch (my 2 HP honda rides on > > the > > >> boat). She will take the > > >> steep chop and high winds. Re the cat boat, IMHO > > the > > >> sloop rig of the M-15 is > > >> better pointing into the wind. Why is my > > destination > > >> always upwind no matter > > >> what? My suggestion, buy a new M-15. > > >> Good Luck > > >> Don M-15 Sweet Dream > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6 > *********************************************** _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
