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1. Re: M-17 Centerboard Rope ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. RE: M-17 Centerboard Rope (bill safford)
3. Re: New Montgomery Owners ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
4. Re: New Montgomery Owners (Chad Parrish)
5. Re: New Montgomery Owners (Howard)
6. Re: MSOG status (Doug King)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:10:55 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Centerboard Rope
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Thanks for the tip Arnold...I also check some stuff on the msogphotosite.
I
am amazed at the ingenuity of folks in doing this kind of work on their
boats. Reminds me of Joshua Slocum's exploits in using jacks and logs to
move his boat up to the highest lake in the world in South America.
Phil Barilla
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From: "Arnold Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Centerboard Rope
Phil,
I also have a 1977 model, hull 265 (I think). I had the same problem
except my board was stuck in the up position. First let me caution
you! If the pendant should break, the board dropping could cause some
damage, it is one heavy sucker, so be very careful.
Obviously the boat will have to out of the water (unless you have scuba
gear) and off the trailer so the keel can swing free. The bottom of
the fixed keel will have to be about 24-28 inches above the ground. I
built 2 big horses to support the boat while I did the work. A farmer
friend helped me lift the boat (a front end loader and slings) , slide
the trailer away and set her back on the horses. Once she was on the
horses and cradled good, I worked the centerboard loose with a prybar
while supporting the board with blocking (never work under the c-board
without blocking, if it fell it could kill you). With help from my
friend, I was able to drop the board a few inches at a time until it
came down to where the hook on the c-board catches the pin at the aft
end of the trunk. The pin (in my boat) is a 1/4" bolt which came out
pretty easy but again, you must keep the c-board blocked to keep it
from falling when the pin is removed. Once the pin was out the board
came down all the way, exposing the connection. I my case, I found
that the shackle had corroded and that the pendant was not even
connected (the only thing holding the c-board was barnicles in the
trunk ( a close call for sure). I had an additional problem in that
the shackle connecting the hole in the c-board to the pendant was both
to wide and too long as it caught in the trunk and hit the top before
the c-board was full retracted. I would recommend you check both
aspects. On my first try, I bought a new lanyard of 3/8" braid (with
an eye) but found that it jammed in the trunk hole when the fat part of
the eye splice tried to come thru. I ended up with 1/4" braid.
Unfortunately I did not take any pictures of the whole process (wish
I had) but am happy to share my experience. Kind regards and good
luck, Arnold Sharpe, M-17,"LITTLE BREEZE"
On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have just purchased a 1977 Montgomery 17...boat number 250. The
> centerboard is lowered out of the shoal keel by a rope which protrudes
> up through the cockpit sole just in front of and outside of the
> companion way hatch and coils around a vertically mounted sheet winch.
> The rope is badly frayed just at the point where it exits the cockpit
> sole when the board is in the fully raised position. Has anyone had
> any experience replacing such a rope. I want to know what I can expect
> when I have the boat lifted. After lifting the boat and lowering the
> board, I understand there is a pin at the rear of the board which must
> be hammered out in order for the board to drop clear of the keel
> enough to unfasten the rope from the pennant attached to the board.
> Any information as to the exact procedure and what to expect will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Phil Barilla
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:08:35 +0800
From: bill safford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-17 Centerboard Rope
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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I found good luck by just digging a hole under the keel to lower the
centerboard and change the lifting penent. My boat was kept in a covered
stall with a dirt floor, so it was easy.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007
10:10:55 -0400> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Centerboard Rope> > Thanks for
the tip Arnold...I also check some stuff on the msogphotosite. I> am
amazed at the ingenuity of folks in doing this kind of work on their>
boats. Reminds me of Joshua Slocum's exploits in using jacks and logs to>
move his boat up to the highest lake in the world in South America.> >
Phil Barilla> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnold Sharpe"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats">
<[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007
5:20 PM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Centerboard Rope> > > > Phil,> > I
also have a 1977 model, hull 265 (I think). I had the same problem> >
except my board was stuck in the up position. First let me caution> > you!
If the pendant should break, the board dropping could cause some> >
damage, it is one heavy sucker, so be very careful.> > Obviously the boat
will have to out of the water (unless you have scuba> > gear) and off the
trailer so the keel can swing free. The bottom of> > the fixed keel will
have to be about 24-28 inches above the ground. I> > built 2 big horses to
support the boat while I did the work. A farmer> > friend helped me lift
the boat (a front end loader and slings) , slide> > the trailer away and
set her back on the horses. Once she was on the> > horses and cradled
good, I worked the centerboard loose with a prybar> > while supporting the
board with blocking (never work under the c-board> > without blocking, if
it fell it could kill you). With help from my> > friend, I was able to
drop the board a few inches at a time until it> > came down to where the
hook on the c-board catches the pin at the aft> > end of the trunk. The
pin (in my boat) is a 1/4" bolt which came out> > pretty easy but again,
you must keep the c-board blocked to keep it> > from falling when the pin
is removed. Once the pin was out the board> > came down all the way,
exposing the connection. I my case, I found> > that the shackle had
corroded and that the pendant was not even> > connected (the only thing
holding the c-board was barnicles in the> > trunk ( a close call for
sure). I had an additional problem in that> > the shackle connecting the
hole in the c-board to the pendant was both> > to wide and too long as it
caught in the trunk and hit the top before> > the c-board was full
retracted. I would recommend you check both> > aspects. On my first try, I
bought a new lanyard of 3/8" braid (with> > an eye) but found that it
jammed in the trunk hole when the fat part of> > the eye splice tried to
come thru. I ended up with 1/4" braid.> > Unfortunately I did not take any
pictures of the whole process (wish> > I had) but am happy to share my
experience. Kind regards and good> > luck, Arnold Sharpe, M-17,"LITTLE
BREEZE"> > On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>
>> > > I have just purchased a 1977 Montgomery 17...boat number 250. The>
> > centerboard is lowered out of the shoal keel by a rope which
protrudes> > > up through the cockpit sole just in front of and outside of
the> > > companion way hatch and coils around a vertically mounted sheet
winch.> > > The rope is badly frayed just at the point where it exits the
cockpit> > > sole when the board is in the fully raised position. Has
anyone had> > > any experience replacing such a rope. I want to know what
I can expect> > > when I have the boat lifted. After lifting the boat and
lowering the> > > board, I understand there is a pin at the rear of the
board which must> > > be hammered out in order for the board to drop clear
of the keel> > > enough to unfasten the rope from the pennant attached to
the board.> > > Any information as to the exact procedure and what to
expect will be> > > greatly appreciated.> > >> > > Phil Barilla> > >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:51:11 EDT
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery Owners
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Phil,
I see you are from Pittsbugh just wondering where you will be doing your
sailing?
Also from the City of Champions, GO STEELERS
Gary
M17
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:26 -0500
From: Chad Parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery Owners
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Hi Phil,
Congrats to you as well on your new boat. As with any boat new or
old there is always work that needs to be done. On our boat we went
through the rigging over the first two evenings since we brought her
home. After replacing a couple of items on the standing rigging we
decided everything looked reasonably sound and took her to Lake Pepin
to see how things worked. The first thing we found that needs
immediate attention is a leaking through hull. Fortunately we didn't
sink and we were only going for an afternoon sail more as a shakedown
cruise to find what needed to be fixed. It is better to find things
like that out now then on day 1 of a week long trip. We were able to
meet up with Bones and had the opportunity to see his beautiful Monty
23.
Anyone have any good advice on removing an old transducer and re-
bedding it? The instrument is a nice digital Standard Horizon that
seemed to work fine. I hope not to damage it during its removal.
Thanks,
Chad
On Oct 14, 2007, at 9:02 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chad...congratulations on #259. I just purchased 1977 boat #250 a
few weeks
ago. Maybe we can exchange problems on a boat of this age. I have some
fixups on this boat as well. The name on mine is <Puffin", which I
would
like to change if it can be done without angering Neptune.
Phil Barilla, Pittsburgh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Parrish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: M_Boats: New Montgomery Owners
Hello everyone,
After lurking on this list for well over a year, and even asking if I
could join on one of the rendezvous with a com-pac I am happy to say
we are the new owners of a 1977 Montgomery 17, hull number 259. She
has a yellow hull and has the small galley installed. We are in
Minnesota so this winter will be spent doing some maintenance and
upgrades and possibly at least one trip south to escape the winter
blues.
--Chad and Dianna
Monty 17 Hull 259 (Currently Unnamed)
Henderson, MN
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:06:00 -0500
From: Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery Owners
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Chad:
A digital knot meter? Mine has the Standard Horizon analog. It never
worked right, so I had SH ship me a new sending unit (little paddle
wheel). Still doesn't work right. If knot (pun intended) for the two
holes that would be left in the boat, that could go overboard. With a
GPS on board, the only advantage I can see is if you are bucking a tide
or current, you might be able to figure out how much from the difference
between what your knotmeter is reading (speed through the water) vs. the
GPS COG indication.
Anyway, the way that is installed is a plastic sleeve with a flange that
should be very tightly caulked to the hull. The paddle wheel fits
through that sleeve and is held in place by a clip. The only seal as I
recall is a rubber O ring. A bit scary when you think about it.....which
I haven't for some time....but mine doesn't leak. First place to look
for your leak might be replacing the O ring, with maybe some Vasoline to
help lube/seal the new one?
Beyond that, if you have to pull that flange off, it all depends on what
they put it on with. If it was 3M 5200, you could have trouble getting
it off. Others would probably yield to some steady pressure.
Howard
(Dang shame we can't attach pictures to these emails)
Chad Parrish wrote:
Hi Phil,
Congrats to you as well on your new boat. As with any boat new or old
there is always work that needs to be done. On our boat we went
through the rigging over the first two evenings since we brought her
home. After replacing a couple of items on the standing rigging we
decided everything looked reasonably sound and took her to Lake Pepin
to see how things worked. The first thing we found that needs
immediate attention is a leaking through hull. Fortunately we didn't
sink and we were only going for an afternoon sail more as a shakedown
cruise to find what needed to be fixed. It is better to find things
like that out now then on day 1 of a week long trip. We were able to
meet up with Bones and had the opportunity to see his beautiful Monty 23.
Anyone have any good advice on removing an old transducer and
re-bedding it? The instrument is a nice digital Standard Horizon that
seemed to work fine. I hope not to damage it during its removal.
Thanks,
Chad
On Oct 14, 2007, at 9:02 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chad...congratulations on #259. I just purchased 1977 boat #250 a few
weeks
ago. Maybe we can exchange problems on a boat of this age. I have some
fixups on this boat as well. The name on mine is <Puffin", which I would
like to change if it can be done without angering Neptune.
Phil Barilla, Pittsburgh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Parrish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: M_Boats: New Montgomery Owners
Hello everyone,
After lurking on this list for well over a year, and even asking if I
could join on one of the rendezvous with a com-pac I am happy to say
we are the new owners of a 1977 Montgomery 17, hull number 259. She
has a yellow hull and has the small galley installed. We are in
Minnesota so this winter will be spent doing some maintenance and
upgrades and possibly at least one trip south to escape the winter
blues.
--Chad and Dianna
Monty 17 Hull 259 (Currently Unnamed)
Henderson, MN
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:34:58 -0400
From: Doug King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: MSOG status
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Hi Msoggies,
Still lurking on the list but not reading much anymore. I am maintaining
the For Sail lists (not often enough, as some of you know), but that's
about all. Just got burnt out on actively updating it. I think the info
that's on there is fairly timeless and what isn't on there can be answered
through the list. If anyone wants to take it over, everything is written
in
the Cold Fusion language so you gotta know that language. Email me
directly
if you want to discuss it, but I'm happy to leave things as they are.
Doug
At 01:09 PM 10/12/2007 -0500, you wrote:
I know it's still working, including current classifieds to buy and sell
boats. Just wondering if Doug is still making changes to it or if it's
"just there". We haven't heard much out of Doug or Vixen for a long time
now.
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