Discovered about 3 inches of water in the very front of the boat
when I unscrewed the front hatch cover off. Also, there was pieces
of Styrofoam. Is there suppose to be Styrofoam there? In the
summer I leave my monty 15 in the water at a dock. Could the water
be rain water. Comments, suggests or help.
Bonnie
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5. Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear (Doug Kelch)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:43:35 EST
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: CDI Furler on M-15
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I don't about physics but CDI is just following the best rigging
practice.
Toggles are better than no toggles. They minimize side loading
fatigue at the
terminal ends. If you want the best setup use toggles on all your
standing
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:56:33 EST
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Rick,
The strains (loads) on the forstay are much greater (very technical
term -
MUCH greater) as the foil its drum line and sail are all available
to be
literally flailed about on the forestay as it is being furled.
You will experience at some time in the future, the entire furler/
sail combo
wildly flogging about - this is amplified if your headstay is not
tight
enough (good case for a powerful backstay adjuster or in the case of
the 15 -
tight shrouds). I have found over the years of installing a couple
(LOL) of FF's
that -
#1. the foil itself likes to be completely straight and flat. We
used to
drill a 3/16 hole in each end of the foil and stretch them on a
fence in the hot
sun for a couple of days - truckers hitches to tension them.
#2. the headstay needs to be somewhat tighter than you may be used
to with
hanked on sails.
The tighter forestay will take some of the movement out of the upper
end of
the forestay. Make sure the upper bearing is riding on the swedge
body fitting
(fork or eye) as you do not want the bearing piece to abrade the wire
itself.
NFIW but the CDI Flexible Furler is a great piece of equipment - Do
they
still have that very interesting warranty coverage claim? The one
about the
vehicle driving over the foil?
I am not a big fan of furlers but when I bite the bullet - CDI will
get my
money.
GaryO
M-17 # 316a
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:07:36 -0800 (PST)
From: ORLANDO VELEZ
Subject: Re: M_Boats: CDI Furler on M-15
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My M15 came with a Mini St CDI furler when I bought it. It has a
turnbuckle, and It seems to me that the only thing that fits in
there is the turnbuckle. I dont see how to pass the eye through the
halyard top fitting into the plastic luff or the bottom of the cup.
Even if you modify the system, the adjuster may interfere with the
rotation of the system while in a rush. Maybe Jerry can make a
forestay with a turnbuckle for you
Louis Aliotta wrote: I have a CDI furler that I want to install on
my M-15. I read the instructions and it says to use a turnbuckle
inside of the furling unit. Has anyone installed one and can you use
the stay adjuster that is standard on the M-15 forestay.
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:58:56 EST
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About the foil needing to be straight and flat, CDI says that
putting it on
the forestay will take care of that if it isn't quite straight. That
said, I
found that in spite of CDI's suggestion that you need several people
around to
help straighten and reverse coil it, I found that after it was
uncoiled for
ten or fifteen minutes it lay straight and flat (no reverse coiling
needed) on
the floor, where it still is, waiting for some warm(er) weather.
Still have
to figure out how to get it into (or onto) the car for the trip to
the boat
....
CDI's warranty is for six years, and covers only hazards at sea
(including
unseamanlike use and dismastings), but not any abuse of the foil
when off the
boat, when it must be stored straight and flat at all times. Any
kinks or
bends that the owner puts in (such as by driving a truck over it) I
think are the
owner's problem.
Rick
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:19:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Kelch
Subject: M_Boats: Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear
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With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the
Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems
much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:20:49 -0800
From: "Tim Diebert"
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear
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The Wykeham-Martin rollers have always interested me. My intentions
were to
buy two of these guys if I was ever to go back to headsail rollers.
I know a man who runs two of the small Wykeham-Martin units in a
cutter
configuration on a 16 foot boat. It has always worked flawlessly for
him.
The thing that appeals to me is that you can reduce sail to a
manageable
size in a matter of seconds. Not just dowse a headsail and carry on
under
main alone....but drop the big genny and then roll out the staysl to
a more
balanced rig licketty split.
The downside to such units (the way I see it) is the sails have to
be seized
to the wire....or rather, you need to have headsails that have (the
correct)
captive wire. Most sailmakers can modify existing sails or build new
sails
to this style. Also, you will need a seperate headstay just ahead of
the jib
roller.
There is no foil on this style of roller. This to me is both good
and bad.
Not having a foil might be considered bad because you cannot just
unslot a
sail and slide in another (not that this is an easy process or even
one you
would want to be doing on the water anyway)....just in the sense
that you
can change options reasonably easily.
Not having a foil is good because you can more easily stow the gear
when
your rig is down.
Not having a foil is good because that foil is a huge chunk of
stuff. It
seems to me that it is overkill is many ways for a wee boat.
If you are using wire-in luff sails, changing sails is actually pretty
easy. With the sail (to be changed) rolled up and the sheets rolled
right up
into the sausage, just ease your halyard, unclip at the roller, clip
to a
padeye temporarily, clip in new sail at the roller, lower halyard,
unclip
old sail at the halyard swivel, clip in the new sail, tension the
halyard,
set up new sheets (Or re-use same sheet set up...whatever), stow the
old
sail, and sail on.
Not as easy as a hank on sail. But it is roller furling that has some
options and I like that. If I was doing an extended cruise this
would be my
system of choice. For day sailing and weekend cruising hanked on
sails are
my choice.
Another angle to this is that you are not restricted to the Wykemham-
Martin
products...Harken makes a modern unit that works exactly the same
way. I am
quite sure the Harken rig would be less expensive as well. The
smaller unit
can be had for under $200.US complete. The Wykeham-Martin unit close
to that
would be closer to $400. plus shipping from the UK. But it is hard
to beat
that whole solid bronze vibe. ~:0)
Anything you might need to know about the Wykemham-Martin gear can
be found
here: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/articles/wmgear.htm
You can buy these Wykemham-Martin units here:
http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/product.asp?product=294&cat=79&ph=cat&keyword
s=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID=
The Harken roller furlers seem least expensive at Mauri Pro... and
info and
images can be seen here:
http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=H
AR434&Category_Code=SMALLBOATFUR
Tim The Frozen
Kelowna BC
M17 Puff
#369
With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the
Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems
much
simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:16 -0800
From: "Tim Diebert"
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear
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The Harken roller furlers link was not working in my last post......
Try just going to http://www.mauriprosailing.com
and use the search box with phrase HAR434
That is the model number of the Small Boat Harken furler that would
be the
correct size for our boats.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:36:54 -0800
From: "Bill Lamica"
Subject: M_Boats: Don Haas M15 "Dream Catcher"
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Added Don Haas's M15 to the Photo Site
This link is to his page.
http://www.msogphotosite.com/m15haas.html
enjoy!
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