OK Lance, and thanks for the opportunity to give you a price......don't let
some of the comments scare you about old blown out sails being
copied,,,,,,,,any decent sailmaker is "more" than aware of that problem.
You "must" be satisfied with our sails ! (and will be)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: lance ransom
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails
Bill, thanks for quick reply. Let me go over sails & see - then I'll be back
in touch.
Lance Ransom
Bill Tosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bonnie
Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt
rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included:
Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50
Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50
Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%)
Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt
rope, hanks and one line of reefs included:
Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50
Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50
Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%)
Plus shipping:
We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx.
40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to.
Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the
order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am.
Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order
placement.
Bill
TCBoats.com
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From: Bonnie Kostka
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails
Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material
should they be made out of?
Bonnie Kostka
M15
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Rodney Holland
Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast
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I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy
your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a
delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing
it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water
at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years
than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me
pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one
ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come
across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across
it.
Happy sailing!
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Rodney Holland
Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast
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I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the
Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist
someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that
will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though
please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the
inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family
that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500
From: Howard Audsley
Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast
To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery
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I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you
have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench.
Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast
crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and
loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture
where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the
forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib
halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two
wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this
alone).
When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy,
then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of
standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand,
use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding
the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really
tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a
bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees)
you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side
stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops
it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk
forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the
turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the
mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can
start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down.
Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can
eventually catch it to let it down easy.
As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd
guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out
about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming
the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the
boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you
a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on
the msog.org site.
Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it
from!
Howard
M17 #278
"Audasea"
On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
> I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast
> at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a
> checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I
> believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom
> to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want
> the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly
> will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on
> sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700
From: "Tom Jenkins"
Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast
To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about
Montgomery Sailboats'"
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Rodney,
I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and
Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that
is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives"
containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive.
Sorry if this was redundant.
Tom Jenkins
M17 Scintilla
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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM
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Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at
the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a
checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm
sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go
smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so
anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated!
(Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30
years ago!)
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700
From: "Tim Diebert"
Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
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I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added
piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle.
I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were
not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the
triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the
time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so.
Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that
makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then
run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the
wench....I mean winch.
Tim D
Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you
have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench.
Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast
crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and
loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture
where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the
forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib
halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two
wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this
alone).
When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy,
then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of
standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand,
use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding
the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really
tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a
bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees)
you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side
stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops
it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk
forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the
turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the
mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can
start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down.
Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can
eventually catch it to let it down easy.
As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd
guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out
about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming
the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the
boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you
a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on
the msog.org site.
Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it
from!
Howard
M17 #278
"Audasea"
On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
> I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast
> at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a
> checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I
> believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom
> to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want
> the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly
> will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on
> sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:56:30 -0700
From: "jim sadler"
Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Skippers
Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15?
Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:35 -0400
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Jim
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I am in the process of purchasing a new set of sails from Bill Tosh from East
Texas.? He's a Monty owner and a member of this list.? His?email address is
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Skip Campion
M15 - #201
Wild Guppy
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Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:56 am
Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails
Skippers
Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15?
Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican
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