Robbin,
Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper. It is a folding toilet with a
plastic bag. You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com .
Let me know if I can help.
JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas [EMAIL
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Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL
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Montgomery Sailboats'"> <[email protected]>> Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this
is a technique I have never tried or even read about. I carry one> of those
grapnel units as a second and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.>
---------------------> "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out
very short scope (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The
second anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching
back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors
> (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries >
those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with
large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide
comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors.> 3) On
some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I started using this technique on a
boat that would tack at anchor so > badly that my crew threatened to sue for
whiplash. I haven't anchored > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's
necessary.> Jim Poulakis> "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > >
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17
"Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to
the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is
out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the
anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and tie it
off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up during the
night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > pivots and I have
automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************>
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-0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort
and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'">
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of
that!> Thanks John.> > -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the
stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want
to anchor and once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the
anchor line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line
outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the
main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I can
just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have
automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************>
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-0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single
Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'">
<[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I
have additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and
the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the tack
cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go through the
double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, down to the
other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the starboard padeye?
"> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a single set. > But the
issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as little hardware> as
possible.> If you had a double on either either side of the boom forward(as
there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of the double for the first and
the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you would have two different lines with
two different> functions on > each double. I have found that by isolating the
lines they are easier to> keep > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in
there is loose sail and the 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all
the lines and gear on one side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling
down on one side of the tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is
no issue with sail shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously
loaded for bear. Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not
quite where I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the
name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other days
they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat is pretty
small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are sitting on the
foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to change down sail in
larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > those days alone is why
they remain. > > Thanks again for your great information.> > >My pleasure. I
hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and warm today, I am off to sail.> >
Cheers, Tim in BC.> ========================================> > Tom Jenkins>
M17 Scintilla> > -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim> Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27,
2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats:
Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two
reef single line system and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation
posted to a web page here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm>
.> > I hope this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.>
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-0400> From: robbin roddewig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for
M-17 and potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have
been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the
flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with
a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the
new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good reasons I
am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built in head? I have
avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of
ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay
cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine
had some stuff to > put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is
a vent and a > pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the
head > go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable >
replacement?> > Thanks in advance,> Robbin> > > > >
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-0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling
motors> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats">
<[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On
occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems>
threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st>
century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and>
bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> that
nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > Thanks,> >
Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > > ------------------------------> >
Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:59:24 EDT> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread
on this delicate subject back I think in December, and > based on what I
learned then, and following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same
cruise) a Pett dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages
over the standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your >
built-in, you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the >
system, which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the >
material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash bin.
No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping
facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly into
the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with the
surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full
disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, of
course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L #633> > PS
It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> Wondering what's
for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.> >
(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > >
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