Thanks, Arnold, for the info re: the CB shackle. That adds to the list of considerations I have collected, namely 1) line size, 2) knot size, 3) trunk swelling, 4) CB rusting, 5) stop tang breakage, 6) foreign items, like gravel (how would a sailor get gravel in a centerboard slot? Well...) and now from you 7) shackle width and length. As a side note someone mentioned the reasonable habit of easing the board all the way down and then bringing it up a little before cleating it. Doing that, I have found, decreases the amount of water that squirts up out of the trunk in chop. Perhaps the trunk isn't such a confined area with only that small opening, when the board is slightly up. Anyway, it has worked for me.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 66, Issue 35 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Soggy in Ketchikan (Ronnie Keeler) 2. Re: Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear (Arnold Sharpe) 3. Re: Soggy in Ketchikan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:07:14 +0000 From: Ronnie Keeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is are severals solution for the problem of slugs coming out of the track when the sail is lowered. The method I use is a "gate" that closes off the feed slot once the slugs are in the track. It attaches to the mast with two knurled captive screws and is flush with the inside of the track. I will check with my machine shop buddy to see how much he would charge to make some of more these "gate closers". Another solution is to feed the slugs in at the dock before hoisting the sail and use use a stop above the feed slot to keep the slugs above the opening and putting ties or bungies on the furled sail until you are ready to raise it. This is great for cruising since you only have to feed the slugs once rather than every time you raise the sail. The "rasberries" are for folks who fail to recognize that there are different ways of doing things depending on personal preference and physical abilities. I know that Griselda's sail slugs, lazy jacks, downhauls and reefing lines make her slower to windward than without them but........ I am an old man with two artificial knees and bad hips who usually sails single handed. I would love to to have the agility I had at age 50 but, I have to live with my limitations and modify my boat to meet my needs. As she is set up with lazy jacks, single point jiffy reefing on a full batten main and downhauls, I can set, strike or reef my sails without going out of reach of my tiller extension, climbing over the travler, or scuttling along the side decks. If I were a young guy of 50 and raced her, I would probably have a suit of racing sails with boltrope and strip off every bit of windage I could from the rig. Danielle expressed her displeasure with feeding a boltrope and some of us suggested an alternative. She seems pleased with the results and is less prone to corrupt her family members with her explatives; so......... OK fine. I really enjoyed the debate about the relative merits of slugs vs. boltropes but, as my (then 100 year old Great Grandmother) once told me, "there are more ways to kill a cat than choking it on hot butter". Danielle, If you would be interested in trying one of the "gate closers" like I use, I will try to get or make one for you. I would need to know the size of the feed opening or have a tracing from your mast. If you keep your boat in the water or fully rigged on the trailer, it is very nice to have lazy jacks to contain the sail as it is lowered and jiffy reefing but they do add to set up time if you have to raise and lower the mast every time you sail. Enjoy your Monty and have fun. Ron M17 #14, fixed keel "Griselda" > To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:40:22 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > Save the raspberries. They don't travel far over water and usually get blown back into the slider's cockpit, because the targeted bolt-roper is to windward and in a forward position.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ronnie Keeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]>> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:08 am> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > > > Danielle,> > Nice to hear you are alive and well ,tough soggy. Now that you have had a > chance to have slugs put on Ceto's main as I suggested (and started a storm of > controversy on the site), I hope you will join me in a collective rasberry to > those who are willing to endure feeding a boltrope to gain 1/10th knot of upwind > speed in light air. When I suggested doing it yourself, I forgot that not > everyone has the tools, time or patience to "do-it-yourself" so, I am glad Bob > advised finding a sailmaker. Having a reasonably priced sailmaker in the wings > is invaluable.> > There are many types of sailors and when I was an agile young man with teenage > daughters to crew for me, I was a "Boy Racer/ boltroper" in the Snipe class > where every 1/10th knot was important. Now that I am an old, hobbled up > singlehanded cruiser and daysailer, I will sacrifice that marginal bit of speed > for convenience and safety (I can set and strike my main and jib from the > security of the cockpit). One makes a choice of what kind of sailor one wants > to be and equips the boat to suit his/her needs. Life is full of choices.> > Happy sailing> > Ron> M17 #14, fixed keel> Griselda> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:20 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > Hi all,> > I am back checking email again - I got so behind with three sets of > out-of-town guests all through July! I'm so glad you guys were checking my > website. I do have new photos to put on there - I will get them up tomorrow - > I've been avoiding the computer, knowing how much mail I'd have waiting!> > When > my Dad and his wife were visiting for a couple of weeks, we got out sailing > several times, and he was delighted with "Ceto"! Being a very seasoned sailor, > and skeptical of the worth of a small boat, he was impressed by the M17's > abilities. He sailed her into the dock a couple of times, as he detests starting > up the outboard, and he just *had* to try it. We tried it with the genoa one > evening> , then the main the second. He was so sold on a smaller sailboat, I had > to give him my book on sailing small cruisers which he couldn't put down. > > > Another thing I've done in the last month of avoiding the computer is that I > found a sailmaker here in town, as Bob on the list suggested, and the sailmaker > put slugs on my mainsail, and repaired a small burnhole in its luff for only > $43.00. I was astounded, as I would have paid twice that to have avoided doing > it myself. The sail is SO much easier to handle now!!! The difference has been > huge, and with that old soft sail and my rusty abilities, I can't tell any > difference in the performance. Just a lot fewer four letter words being tossed > into the wind, is all!> > Our weather has been HORRIBLE for the last three weeks > - pouring rain 24/7 - cold and not even decent enough wind to be worth getting > the sails drenched. I haven't sailed at all this month. The weather here is > often this way though, I just go into denial when it's nice. > > I'll stay > caught up now, and send a note when I get new photos up.> > Thanks for thinking > of me!> > Danelle Landis> "Ceto" M17 #378> Ketchikan, AK> http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Howard Audsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 7:18:27 AM> Subject: M_Boats: Danielle?> > > Have > we heard from Danielle in Alaska lately?> > I was going to check to see if she > had updated her website, but I no > longer have it.> > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _________________________________________________________________> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/> ___________> ____________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:59 -0700 From: Arnold Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed One other thing to consider for CB connection is the size of the shackle. My "LITTLE BREEZE" had a stuck board a couple of years back, caused because the shackle was to wide and got turned and wedged. It was a real pain getting it unstuck. I replaced the shackle with one that was less wide and for that matter shorter too as a long shackle can get wedged between the top of the CB and the trunk. Regards..Arnold Sharpe..M-17 #265 'LITTLE BREEZE" On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Bill Lamica wrote: > Hi David, > I remembered seeing a suggestion made by Jerry Montgomery. The > paragraph > below is taken from the page link: > > http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17CICBord.html > > "A tip from Jerry Montgomery: The line used to raise and lower > the CB is > 5/16... The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and > use that > part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the knot small enough > to fit > properly in the CB Trunk". > > Bill > > > > > > > On 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in >> the down >> position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud >> Girl, >> #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the >> centerboard >> refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But >> after my >> first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still >> managed >> to >> get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the >> storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. >> Yesterday I >> had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and >> discovered >> the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just >> enough. >> Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the >> boat! A >> little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin >> again. >> The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight >> bowline. But >> after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was >> so big >> that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the >> centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be >> water damage >> somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the >> pendant >> to >> the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? >> Winter work >> on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have >> shared >> about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just >> knowing >> how everything is situated helped me make this problem >> manageable. As to >> the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. >> While she is >> a >> very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop >> the jib >> seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so >> beefy at >> the same time? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Let's see.... With a hanked on jib, has anyone ever had it not come down when you wanted to drop it? ....add a jib downhaul and it always works. Absolutely. With fancy roller furling jibs, I've heard of lots, ... and partially seen, some of the malfunctions that modern technology bestows on us sailors. When they fail to furl when needed, as the wind is rising and it is high time to shorten sail, where is the factory rep to lend a hand or his expertise? When you finally get back to the dock or are able to anchor, do you send the malfunctioning unit back to the manufacturer for a refund....? I guess I'm just too old fashioned a sailor. I want things to work when the chips are down and my life and the safety of our ship depends on it. Sail slugs or track slides are in the same category. They work, and you don't need two hands to pull a bolt rope out of the track as the boat wildly gyrates. ....and it's driving rain, and the bolt rope is stuck in the slot.... now what? I'll take safety over a 1/100th knot advantage any day. ......as an after thought, modern fin keel monstrosities are also disasters waiting to happen, as proven by the latest accident in the Gulf of Mexico where a "modern" fin keel racing boat lost a keel and rolled over, killing one crew member. Loose a keel....? Sorry, but I never want to loose a mast, nor a keel, and I choose my ship accordingly. ....... any other calamity I can handle. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote: > There is are severals solution for the problem of slugs coming out of the track when the sail is lowered. The method I use is a "gate" that closes off the feed slot once the slugs are in the track. It attaches to the mast with two knurled captive screws and is flush with the inside of the track. I will check with my machine shop buddy to see how much he would charge to make some of more these "gate closers". Another solution is to feed the slugs in at the dock before hoisting the sail and use use a stop above the feed slot to keep the slugs above the opening and putting ties or bungies on the furled sail until you are ready to raise it. This is great for cruising since you only have to feed the slugs once rather than every time you raise the sail. > > The "rasberries" are for folks who fail to recognize that there are different ways of doing things depending on personal preference and physical abilities. I know that Griselda's sail slugs, lazy jacks, downhauls and reefing lines make her slower to windward than without them but........ I am an old man with two artificial knees and bad hips who usually sails single handed. I would love to to have the agility I had at age 50 but, I have to live with my limitations and modify my boat to meet my needs. As she is set up with lazy jacks, single point jiffy reefing on a full batten main and downhauls, I can set, strike or reef my sails without going out of reach of my tiller extension, climbing over the travler, or scuttling along the side decks. If I were a young guy of 50 and raced her, I would probably have a suit of racing sails with boltrope and strip off every bit of windage I could from the rig. > > Danielle expressed her displeasure with feeding a boltrope and some of us suggested an alternative. She seems pleased with the results and is less prone to corrupt her family members with her explatives; so......... OK fine. I really enjoyed the debate about the relative merits of slugs vs. boltropes but, as my (then 100 year old Great Grandmother) once told me, "there are more ways to kill a cat than choking it on hot butter". > > . > . > . > Danielle, > > If you would be interested in trying one of the "gate closers" like I use, I will try to get or make one for you. I would need to know the size of the feed opening or have a tracing from your mast. If you keep your boat in the water or fully rigged on the trailer, it is very nice to have lazy jacks to contain the sail as it is lowered and jiffy reefing but they do add to set up time if you have to raise and lower the mast every time you sail. Enjoy your Monty and have fun. > > Ron > M17 #14, fixed keel > "Griselda" > > > > > To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:40:22 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > Save the raspberries. They don't travel far over water and usually get blown back into the slider's cockpit, because the targeted bolt-roper is to windward and in a forward position.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ronnie Keeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]>> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:08 am> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > > > Danielle,> > Nice to hear you are alive and well ,tough soggy. Now that you have had a > chance to have slugs put on Ceto's main as I suggested (and started a storm of > controversy on the site), I hope you will join me in a collective rasberry to > those who are willing to endure feeding a boltrope to gain 1/10th knot of upwind > speed in light air. When I suggested doing it yourself, I forgot that not > everyone has the tools, time or patience to "do-it-yourself" so, I am glad Bob > advised finding a sailmaker. Having a reasonably priced sailmaker in the wings > is invaluable.> > There are many types of sailors and when I was an agile young man with teenage > daughters to crew for me, I was a "Boy Racer/ boltroper" in the Snipe class > where every 1/10th knot was important. Now that I am an old, hobbled up > singlehanded cruiser and daysailer, I will sacrifice that marginal bit of speed > for convenience and safety (I can set and strike my main and jib from the > security of the cockpit). One makes a choice of what kind of sailor one wants > to be and equips the boat to suit his/her needs. Life is full of choices.> > Happy sailing> > Ron> M17 #14, fixed keel> Griselda> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:20 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > Hi all,> > I am back checking email again - I got so behind with three sets of > out-of-town guests all through July! > ! I'm so > glad you guys were checking my > website. I do have new photos to put on there - I will get them up tomorrow - > I've been avoiding the computer, knowing how much mail I'd have waiting!> > When > my Dad and his wife were visiting for a couple of weeks, we got out sailing > several times, and he was delighted with "Ceto"! Being a very seasoned sailor, > and skeptical of the worth of a small boat, he was impressed by the M17's > abilities. He sailed her into the dock a couple of times, as he detests starting > up the outboard, and he just *had* to try it. We tried it with the genoa one > evening> , then the main the second. He was so sold on a smaller sailboat, I had > to give him my book on sailing small cruisers which he couldn't put down. > > > Another thing I've done in the last month of avoiding the computer is that I > found a sailmaker here in town, as Bob on the list suggested, and the sailmaker > put slugs on my mainsail, and repaired a small burnhole in its luff for only > $43.00. I was astounded, as I would have paid twice that to have avoided doing > it myself. The sail is SO much easier to handle now!!! The difference has been > huge, and with that old soft sail and my rusty abilities, I can't tell any > difference in the performance. Just a lot fewer four letter words being tossed > into the wind, is all!> > Our weather has been HORRIBLE for the last three weeks > - pouring rain 24/7 - cold and not even decent enough wind to be worth getting > the sails drenched. I haven't sailed at all this month. The weather here is > often this way though, I just go into denial when it's nice. > > I'll stay > caught up now, and send a note when I get new photos up.> > Thanks for thinking > of me!> > Danelle Landis> "Ceto" M17 #378> Ketchikan, AK> http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Howard Audsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 7:18:27 AM> ! > Subject: > M_Boats: Danielle?> > > Have > we heard from Danielle in Alaska lately?> > I was going to check to see if she > had updated her website, but I no > longer have it.> > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _________________________________________________________________> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/> ___________> ____________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _________________________________________________________________ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. 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