Good point, Mark. I squeezed back in that space yesterday to unbolt  
and remove my original fixed motor mount. It's definitely a tight  
fit! I'll get in there again and check out Sapphire's cockpit drain  
fittings and signs of leakage. Thanks!

Gordon
On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Roberta Dvorscak wrote:

> One important area to check when there is mystery water in the M17  
> bilge is
> the cockpit drain hoses and more particularly the through hulls to  
> which
> they attach. When I first purchased my M17 I had unexplained water  
> in the
> bilge. I wriggled back under the cockpit with a flashlight to  
> investigate
> with the boat at the dock. I found a tiny bit of water dripping at the
> outlet end of one of the cockpit drain hoses and when I grabbed it  
> to check
> more closely I stuck my thumb right through the metal nipple that was
> glassed into the hull as the attachment point for the drain hose! I  
> quickly
> got the boat on the trailer and home for repairs. Since those  
> outlets on the
> M17s are below the waterline a failure far from shore could be a  
> disaster.
> The repair involved cutting out the old through hulls and glassing  
> in some
> new 1-1/2" stainless steel tubing in their place. I was a total  
> fiberglass
> repair novice at the time but it was doable with a little research  
> and slow
> steady work. It was especially helpful that it didn't have to be
> cosmetically perfect, just strong. Check it out closely now, and  
> make it an
> annual winter maintenance procedure to check those. You'll be glad  
> you know
> the condition of the darkest recesses of your vessel.
> Mark Dvorscak
> Former M17 owner
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Gordon
> Gilbert
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:46 AM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: M_Boats: Bilge full of water
>
> I was just cleaning out my M-17 for the winter and I was surprised
> that the bilge was about three-quarters full of water. A small amount
> of water may have run in after spurting through the centerboard
> pennant hole (I generally keep it plugged, though), but I doubt that
> would have been enough to nearly fill the bilge. Also, the portable
> hand pump I had sitting partly in the bilge had a bit of rust-colored
> slime on it, suggesting that maybe the water came through the keel.
>
> I had the boat's keel trunk and centerboard worked on last winter to
> relieve a sticking board. When the shop first cut a hole in the keel
> to check for rusting ballast, they mistakenly cut partly through to
> the bilge on the first try (about a 2.5" diameter hole). Of course
> they reglassed everything, but I can still feel the cut round hole at
> the very bottom inside of the bilge right where the keel trunk is
> walled off.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does anyone else get much water in their bilge? I assume a
> completely dry bilge is the norm. I kept my boat on its trailer
> during the season, with the exception of a couple four- to five-day
> cruises.
>
> 2. Does anyone have suggestions on how to ensure a dry bilge in this
> situation? I suppose I could cover that hole area with a layer of
> thickened epoxy, but it's a tough area to access and clean and see
> what you're doing. Again, I'm not certain that the water came through
> this previously cut area.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>
> Gordon
> M-17 #377 "Sapphire"
> Milwaukee
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