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On Jan 8, 7:05 am, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected]> wrote: > okay, > > but if the computer is slow, you'll still have your content flashing, that's > why I hide it initially > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > That's what I suspected: in that case I prefer to have all my CSS just > > loaded as usual, and add the .js class to the body element on > > domready. > > > Michal. > > > On Jan 8, 1:40 pm, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > you have to use domready otherwise you'll get errors > > > > and once again it is quite easy to inject css in the head > > > > external stylesheet > > > --------------------------- > > > > var e = document.createElement('LINK'); > > > e.href = css; > > > e.rel = "stylesheet"; > > > e.type = 'text/css'; > > > document.head.appendChild(e); > > > > inline stylesheet > > > ------------------------ > > > > var e = document.createElement('STYLE'); > > > e.type = 'text/css'; > > > document.head.appendChild(e); > > > > //inline stylesheet > > > if(window.ie) e.styleSheet.cssText = > > > styledeclaration; > > > else > > > e.appendChild(document.createTextNode(styledeclaration)); > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Michal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think I was talking about including CSS, and not Javascript in the > > > > head, but I guess the same/similar method can be applied. > > > > > I wonder, is it ok to access the head element, via document.head or > > > > Assets, before it has has even fully loaded? The point of my hack was > > > > to include extra CSS *before* the DOM has loaded, so there is no > > > > chance of any flash of content. > > > > > Michal. > > > > > On Jan 8, 11:40 am, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > anyway, > > > > > > your idea is not bad, i'll take a look at it. > > > > > > loading js is quite simple > > > > > > var e = document.createElement('SCRIPT'); > > > > > e.src = js; > > > > > e.type = 'text/javascript'; > > > > > > //I don't think this has an effect > > > > > if(defer) e.defer = true; > > > > > > document.head.appendChild(e); > > > > > > or you may use mootools Assets class. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Thierry bela nanga < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > if you request js with ajax and eval it, if there is a > > document.write, > > > > > > > the content of your page will be replaced by what you write. > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Michal <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> I completely agree that document.write is bad (that's why I called > > it > > > > > >> a hackish method), but I'm unfamiliar with your reason about the > > blank > > > > > >> page, can you explain? > > > > > > >> Michal. > > > > > > >> On Jan 8, 10:42 am, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > using *document.write* is bad and should be avoided when you use > > > > ajax, > > > > > > >> > you may have a blank page when you evaluate an expression after > > the > > > > page > > > > > >> has > > > > > >> > been loaded. > > > > > > >> > instead you should use dom manipulation to load your js file. > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Michal < > > [email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > If it's ok for me to chime in. I use a way to minimize > > flashing > > > > (which > > > > > >> > > I use and like), and a bit of hack to completely remove > > flashing > > > > > >> > > (which I have used in the past, but I think no more). Both of > > > > these > > > > > >> > > leave content accessible to search engines and users without > > > > > >> > > Javascript. > > > > > > >> > > To minimize flashing: > > > > > >> > > - In the CSS, create rules starting with ".js" that hide all > > your > > > > > >> > > content that you want hidden if JS active > > > > > >> > > - On domready, add the class .js to the body element. If this > > is > > > > the > > > > > >> > > first domready listener, this should minimize flashing. > > > > > > >> > > To completely remove flashing: > > > > > >> > > - Has a CSS file with style that hides the content you want > > > > hidden, > > > > > >> > > but *don't* put this in your page. > > > > > >> > > - Instead, in the head section of your page, include a > > Javascript > > > > file > > > > > >> > > that uses document.write that writes the link tag to the page. > > > > This is > > > > > >> > > hackish, and won't work if the page is sent as > > > > application/xhtml+xml. > > > > > > >> > > By the way neither of these methods are mine, but I forget > > where I > > > > saw > > > > > >> > > them. > > > > > > >> > > Michal. > > > > > > >> > > On Jan 8, 9:46 am, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > I had to make a choice, > > > > > > >> > > > All the content is present on the page and is available to > > > > search > > > > > >> bot, > > > > > >> > > but > > > > > >> > > > some parts are hidden to avoid flashing and they are > > displayed > > > > by > > > > > >> > > removing > > > > > >> > > > the .hidden class. > > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:07 PM, CroNiX < > > [email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > You care if your site content is available to search bots > > but > > > > not > > > > > >> > > > > visitors? Strange... > > > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 7, 6:55 am, "Thierry bela nanga" <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > yeah but, > > > > > > >> > > > > > I use JS to build the page (tabs, etc), without it > > you'll > > > > have > > > > > >> an > > > > > >> > > ugly > > > > > >> > > > > > content. the content remain available for search bots > > that's > > > > the > > > > > >> most > > > > > >> > > > > > important for me. > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Guillermo Rauch < > > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > Which makes the content unavailable for people with > > CSS on > > > > but > > > > > >> JS > > > > > >> > > off. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Thierry bela nanga < > > > > > >> > > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> my method to avoid this is to hide content initially > > with > > > > > >> css, i > > > > > >> > > > > define a > > > > > >> > > > > > >> class .hidden {display: none} and then I use the > > domready > > > > to > > > > > >> > > remove > > > > > >> > > > > the the > > > > > >> > > > > > >> class. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:01 PM, keif < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> FUC = Flash of Unstyled/Unrendered Content > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> This cropped up mainly because of an alphaPNG > > script, > > > > > >> extended > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> elements script, and a couple other scripts that > > modifed > > > > the > > > > > >> > > page. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> On Jan 5, 7:46 am, Michal <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > FUC?? I think maybe I'm not that good with those > > > > internet > > > > > >> > > > > acronyms.... > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > On Jan 5, 12:32 pm, keif <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > With putting scripts at the bottom, it's been > > more > > > > of a > > > > > >> > > "YMMV" > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > approach - I can't find the yahoo article, but > > it's > > > > been > > > > > >> > > > > discussed > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > more than once that many people say "put it in > > the > > > > > >> footer" > > > > > >> > > when > > > > > >> > > > > it's > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > not a practice they follow themselves because of > > > > certain > > > > > >> > > issues > > > > > >> > > > > (one > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > thing I've noticed, loading all JS in the footer > > > > causes > > > > > >> FUC > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > sometimes). > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > -keif > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > On Jan 5, 5:38 am, Nicolas Trani < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > Hi, > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > @Michal : > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > Putting scripts at bottom speed up your page > > > > loading, > > > > > >> i > > > > > >> > > suggest > > > > > >> > > > > you > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> to > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > read this : > > > > >http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#js_bottom > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > @Wanlee : > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > I suggest you to continue to use domready > > anyway. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > Maye be you can post a page to show your code? > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > Regards. > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > Michal a écrit : > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > Are you saying that 'domready' fires too > > early, > > > > > >> before > > > > > >> > > the > > > > > >> > > > > html > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> is > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > ready? This sounds strange. It could be: > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > - A bug with domready. I suspect this is > > > > unlikely as > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> > > is > > > > > >> > > > > so > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > heavily used and tested. But if you can > > > > construct a > > > > > >> > > testcase, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> post a > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > bug in lighthouse. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > - A bug with your code somewhere: are you > > sure > > > > > >> everything > > > > > >> > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > accesses the DOM is inside a domready > > listener? > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > I have seen advice somewhere on the internet > > > > that > > > > > >> says > > > > > >> > > you > > > > > >> > > > > should > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> put > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > Javascript at the bottom of the html, but > > it's > > > > never > > > > > >> > > quite > > > > > >> > > > > sat > > ... > > read more »
