Hey Aaron,

I have a little UI window and dockbar Class that I created you may be
interested in.  It is only about 300 lines, is 500x (slight
exaggeration) more performant than Mocha, does not rely on canvas
(thought you could use it for rendering I suppose) and has some pretty
cool things under the covers that Mocha lacks.  The script does not do
the slide bar desktop stuff mocha does, but i figured content inside
the windows would be up to the user.  I will post it on the blog soon
so you guys can take a look.  If it ends up not being of interest no
worries, just throwing it out there ;)

- Daniel


On Sep 29, 8:46 am, Aaron Newton <aa...@iminta.com> wrote:
> When Greg contacted us he basically said he didn't have time to support it
> as well as the fact that it had really just grown out of the proportions of
> any one person to keep up with. (Greg is on this mailing list, btw).
> I love the work he did and love that it's out there for people to use, but
> this is an open source project. If someone doesn't step up with the time and
> interest to do something, it doesn't happen. In case you guys haven't
> noticed, about 20% of the time I invest in MooTools is spent harassing you
> guys/grls to do things. It's basically part of my job to use bribery, guilt,
> flattery, and any other means to get you people to take on some small
> project that you probably don't have time for.
>
> Anyway, no one has stepped up and really expressed an interest in working on
> Mocha. The real reason that I haven't is because of ART. MooTools ART is a
> UI framework, but it's much, much more complex than Mocha. It's also much
> younger (and not even released yet) so of course it's not as feature
> complete as Mocha. Right when Greg came to us with Mocha, I spent some time
> considering trying to convert his work into ART or vice versa but it just
> didn't really make sense.
>
> At work, I've been building a desktop UI for our product, and in the process
> I've created a lot of solutions similar to what's in Mocha. At this point,
> MooTools is not going to adopt the Mocha codebase, but I think it might make
> sense when we're ready to release ART and all the desktop UI stuff I've been
> working on to call it Mocha 2.0 in a nod to Greg's work. Of course, this is
> up to Greg (I haven't asked him).
>
> Expect to see some stuff about ART this week, when our product launches.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Oskar Krawczyk 
> <oskar.krawc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > To be precise, MochaUI would never be a part of -more but a standalone
> > project using the Moo conventions.
> > I'm not in liberty to discuss the state of the discussion so you'll have to
> > wait for Aaron to show up and post some additional info.
>
> > Best,
> > Oskar
>
> > ___
>
> > Oskar Krawczyk
> >http://nouincolor.com
>
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 08:48, Quest <gugelwu...@divepage.net> wrote:
>
> >> As I remember some month ago Aaron and Greg where talking about
> >> including MochaUI (http://www.mochaui.com) as window and UI framework
> >> into moo.more.
> >> MochaUI is not far away from v1.0 and is still used on several sites.
> >> I really like it and would like to use it in future.
> >> What is the last state of discussions about adopting Mocha to
> >> moo.more?
> >> The last message we got from Greg in Mocha Usergroup was that Greg,
> >> Aaron and Valerio are talking about it.
>
> >> Greetings from Germany
> >> Michael

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