++ I think jquery got so popular because of wordpress. I also think it's impossible to try and be on the level as where jquery is at the moment as far as nr of times it's being used/implemented. And I also think you shouldn't turn it into a competition (again) or some '-vs-' thing, but I think everyone agrees about that. Finally I think a lot of people are just happy with what they can do with <framework here> that is not mootools and they aren't particular looking for anything else. I mean, web developers will find the tool they think is right for them or the job in the end.. they might start of with framework X and end with framework Z and use that one for a while etc. There are a zillion "simple" websites out there that don't need something more advanced and only need some photo-gallery tool etc. Usually they are wordpress based anyway (at the moment at least), so it's probably jquery ;)
If only we could slow down time, then we could do some great stuff.. I could work on cpojer's mobile and florence's slideshow at the same time AND do my day job + other stuff I have to do in my life hehehe On Apr 4, 6:12 pm, Aaron Newton <aa...@iminta.com> wrote: > I hate to say it, but this is precisely what we don't want. MooTools is an > advanced programming framework for JavaScript. It is not something that even > tries to be accessible to non-programmers. If you work hard to make it easy > for non-technical designers and others to use, you'll just flood our forums > and lighthouse with people complaining that they can't get it to work. This > is one of the problems we had early on in the old forums. MooTools has found > its stride and it's got a terrific community. I'm really quite happy to have > jQuery helping people get into JavaScript. If they get good enough they'll > start looking for something better when they hit jQuery's limitations > (namely that they limit their scope to the DOM). That's when they're ripe > for our framework. But getting them before that is asking for trouble. > > As a side note, this is a public, user filled forum where we discuss > MooTools. In general, you should attempt to avoid the casting of dispersions > upon any group of people. Saying that webmasters and designers are > technically inept is precisely how to NOT welcome them to our community. > > Aaron > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Hazlett <hazl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree, the bulk on webmasters today are technically inept, they have no > > loyalty to one framework over another (or even understand what javascript > > is). They just want to get the html page done, in working order and out to > > the client so they can get paid. With tools around that basically build the > > HTML for you, most people are more likely to use a plugin that integrates > > with the HTML editor they use. The task of learning to use a tool like > > mootools is simply way outside the comfort zone for most of these pseudo > > "webmasters". > > > We need to create some plugin dll's for some of the more popular html > > editors. We also need to blanket the web with quick scripts people can just > > cut and paste into HTML documents and they need to look and preform better > > then their jquery counterparts (or else people will just use the jquery > > snip-it because with the level of penetration they already have you better > > bet there will be about 10 scripts to 1 mootools script)". > > > Just my 2 cents > > > ------------------------------ > > > André Fiedler <fiedler.an...@googlemail.com> > > Monday, April 04, 2011 9:13 AM > > > I think Mootools is more like ExtJS and less like jQuery. Do we really need > > designers that want to do quick effects very easy. Mootools isn´t very easy. > > It´s somewhere between jQuery and ExtJS I think. So in my opinion designers, > > who try mootools, will tell it´s bad, difficult, just don´t work very well. > > > 2011/4/4 Arian Stolwijk <ar...@aryweb.nl> > > > ------------------------------ > > > Arian Stolwijk <ar...@aryweb.nl> > > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:53 AM > > > I could be jury if you like. I think it would be a nice idea and some good > > PR for MooTools :-) > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Olivier Girardot <ssab...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > > Olivier Girardot <ssab...@gmail.com> > > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:46 AM > > > what's the website in ? is it on GitHub ? if so maybe we can help. > > > OIivier. > > > 2011/4/4 Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@gmail.com> > > > ------------------------------ > > > Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@gmail.com> > > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:44 AM > > > There's was an initiative created by me, called MooToolified.com – it was > > supposed to be just this. > > > Unfortunately, I never had the time to finish the code for the website, and > > so it sits like this since last year. > > > O. > > > ------------------------------ > > > hamburger <bilidi...@web.de> > > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:39 AM > > > Over the weekend I surfed through the world of web to get an overview > > what’s up in technique and internet-design. > > There are a lot of contest and design pages. But no one is related to > > mootools. Quite the contrary, if I do my obligatory right-click, the > > most of designers-pages are written in this queerish jquery-tool. I am > > sure that all of them also can be done with mootools. > > I think the reason for that fact may be that web-designers are mostly > > creative persons who are not very interested in technical things. > > > Should the moo-community show them what’s possible with moo? (I think > > to show some example page are not enough!) > > > What do you think about starting a moo-contest? > > A page where all moo-developer can post there moo-designs and the > > audience and/or an international jury can give an evaluation. > > The aim should be to create a meeting point where web developers and > > designers can share experiences, inspiration, knowledge and get an > > overview what is possible with moo. Here can also be shown the forge- > > classes in a designed environment. > > The awards (best side of the week / month / ever) can also promote the > > best moo-web designers in the world. > > > What do you think, does it make sense? > > Should it be managed also by the moo-developer-team or can the contest > > be started by everyone? > > greetz hamburger > > > > compose-unknown-contact.jpg > 1KViewDownload
