On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dimitar Christoff <[email protected]>wrote:
> yeah, valid points we are all aware of and appreciate. > > incidentally, a roadmap post on where mootools is headed etc won't go > amiss. for instance -- yesterday on iRC Arian said you're aiming for amd > for 1.5 yet we all thought this was going into mootools 2.0. oh yes. that's > also no more, it's now milk? also hearsay. just a little feedback would go > far in instilling confidence. > I think you've made my point. Milk is semi-vaporware. Yet, I agree that it'd be good to share cool ideas with the community. The problem being a) time, and b) risk of backlash (see amd/Host extending natives debacle) and making false promises. > also, touching on the above bloggers, spoke to Garrick on irc earlier and > he's working on a awesome mvc lib in mootools. which reminds me, blogs > roles have been diminished by GitHub as well. people just code and you can > follow them and see what they do. awesome. it's also how I found out > kamicane is working on a new stand alone moofx. full circle? I picked > mootools back in the day because of moo.fx... Is he bored of it now? his > last framework commit has been a good while ago. > I think this might be the type of blog posts you'll probably hear from us in the future. Upcoming features and interesting issues that are not fixed, etc. We're ramping up production little by little. > as for blogging, I admit I am a little bored of posting anything on mine > myself and its hardly worth it for the benefit of some 90 visitors a day, > though I keep at it. > I think you've touched upon one of the reasons we've never blogged as much. We are all working on MooTools on our spare time, and we take pleasure releasing code for everyone else to use. There's not much benefit to blogging at the moment since github and other mediums provide similar aggregation of information. Yet, I think this is an *interesting* idea to pursue: how do we.. a distributed collective, independently working on a project or sub-projects, release news, examples, or updates that others can digest in a simple manner? Hash tags via Twitter? +Page mention in Google+? Facebook post? In my opinion all those mediums should be put on our blog, or a new "dashboard". > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 14 Feb 2012, at 01:09 PM, Olmo Maldonado <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks Dimitar. > > This is a big issue indeed. There's a couple of factors that have affected > this. > > Here's some factors: > > - *Some have ful time jobs now, in major companies (Facebook, Apple, > Mozilla)* > - jQuery and other disruptive tech (e.g. CoffeeScript, Node.JS) has > caused focus to move from MooTools (JavaScript in general) to shift. > - There's always been a lack of outreach from MooTools to our > community. If you'll notice the majority of those blogs are all people who > hang out at #mootools in freenode.net. Not good, but historically it's > been the case. > > There's many more but those are the top three reasons, I believe. The most > that affect us is that most of those in your list have full time jobs, new > family members born, or other responsibilities that they cannot dedicate as > much time with MooTools if they're primary job doesn't use MooTools. > > We can't prevent people from getting good jobs. In fact we encourage that > our MooTools developers go on to great jobs. (news flash most MooTools > developers -- Core or More -- work at Fortune 500 companies). But we can > certainly work to lessen the second and third factors. > > *jQuery and disruptive tech. * > The best option is to welcome change and to keep marketing our > differentiation. We've tried to accept change, but we're not very good at > voicing this. Hence the third problem, hehe. > > *Marketing and Outreach* > David Walsh, and many others, have tried to do this. It's very difficult > task and we're looking to improve this, but it'll take time. I'd like to > help, but I personally fall in the first factor. > > *What's next?* > If you'd like to help us by blogging, tweeting, g+, facebook liking, or > any new freaking social media then you're welcome to bring up from the > grave some blog posts. Also, you can start to hang out in #mootools > freenode.net since that's where you'll find us. We have plenty of ideas > on how to contribute -- coding or outreach. Just need more people to > advocate. > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Dimitar Christoff <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> Just thought I should post this sort of a recap of mootools blogs I used >> to like and visit since I started using the framework in 2007. >> >> Solutoire - >> http://solutoire.com/category/**mootools/<http://solutoire.com/category/mootools/>- >> used to be very good, explaining selectors and whatnot. last post: nov >> 2008 >> >> Digitarald - http://digitarald.de/journal/ - amazing harald, author of >> fancy upload and autocompleter - legendary plugins, ex mootools core team >> member. last mootools post 11 months ago and it was just to say 1.3.1 is >> out. >> >> Appden - Scott Kyle - http://appden.com/ - awesome techniques and >> snippets, taught me about extending classes and punctures. Last update: Dec >> 9 2009 >> >> Garrick - great coder and mootools author, http://www.garrickcheung.com/- >> last post April 29 2011 announcing mootools release. >> >> Jan Kassens - http://kassens.net/ - no mootools posts show... >> >> subtlegradient - Thomas Aylott- >> http://subtlegradient.com/**articles/<http://subtlegradient.com/articles/>- >> core member, author of Slick, last post, 29 Jul 2009 >> >> rpflo - Ryan Florence - taught me much about best mootools practices and >> patterns. Now a coffeescripter - last mootools post May 2011. >> http://ryanflorence.com/ >> >> Fabio Miranda Costa - http://www.meiocodigo.com/ - core member, >> co-author of Slick. Author of Meio Autocomplete etc. Last mootools post: >> Mar 15 2010. >> >> Fakedarren - http://blog.fakedarren.com/ - Last mootools post 02 july >> 2010. >> >> Keeto! - http://keetology.com/blog/ - last mootools post March 2011 >> >> Seb Markbage - >> http://blog.calyptus.eu/tags/**mootools/<http://blog.calyptus.eu/tags/mootools/>- >> last mootools post 7 March 2010 >> >> Media Vrog - >> http://mediavrog.net/blog/tag/**mootools-mt/<http://mediavrog.net/blog/tag/mootools-mt/>- >> creator of the mootools cheat sheets that helped me a lot when I was >> starting... Last post: Feb 9 2011 >> >> In fact, I can only think of 2 blogs I used to visit that are still >> active: >> >> David Walsh, of course... http://davidwalsh.name/ - still flying the >> mootools flag as strong as ever. >> >> Aaron Newton - http://www.clientcide.com/ - still posts all new stuff he >> manages to create, awesome. >> >> I am sure I am missing places but I can't be at this all day. The point >> is, though some of these people have now moved on / stopped using mootools, >> there are a few that haven't. Also, are there no new bloggers that would >> want to post and contribute? My RSS feed has totally shrunk... I realise >> twitter and github kind of killed it a little as micro posts can get info >> across but it's not the same thing. >> >> Please - if you are using mootools and are doing something cool or you >> have something cool to say / show / teach others, post it. If you have a >> blog and are posting new content, please share... Nothing can spread the >> knowledge as much as blogs do. >> > >
