Re: [MOPO] Fwd: MOPO regarding finding NEMO reprints on ebay

[Planetbiz]

Phil and JR,    Thanks for your feedback and advice.  I do try to ensure that I purchase from dealers with a return policy and of course try to look for dealers endorsed by the various poster collecting communities.    I feel that I am much better prepared now than several years ago, but I feel bad that we can’t do more to help all collectors especially the beginning collectors.        I am quite aware that some dealers sell both originals and reprints with the listings clearly marked.  I am troubled that a legitimate dealer would sell the full size reprints however, because as soon as they are in circulation, the problems begin.  I really like the idea of these dealers stamping the posters as reprints (in permanent ink).  I’d be likely to send some of my business to them as a reward.        In my opinion, any dealer that knowingly sells reprints as originals (or in some sort of confusing state) doesn’t deserve any of my business.  I don’t care if they have lots of original stuff as well.  They are off my radar.          I will post a Bad Seller experience shortly.   Bill     From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mila Edwards Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:38 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: MOPO regarding finding NEMO reprints on ebay   And of course make sure thay have a returns policy. Most pro dealers do, but then most pro-dealers clearly indicate when they are offering a repro.... anything, and will decribe it fairly - originality and condition.   If unsure, then ask before you buy or bid.   We had one of those typos slip through on eBay just today in our BINs. A potential buyer questioned our description of a set of MUPPETS TAKE MANHATTAN lobby cards, that indicated either there were 12 cards or we had said that some had pinholes. The numbers didn't add up... When you list as mucn  material as we do, on our website, or eBay and Movie Poster Bid, then the occasional typos slips through (there are after all only two of us doing it all - from describing to packing - and we try to list every even minor defects/flaws/damage.   We answered the question, corrected the error on the eBay listing and the customer purchased. Apart from getting a discount voucher against a future purchase in his package, we have a returns policy.   If in doubt, ASK. If you don't get an answer then proceed with caution.   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: JRS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: MOPO regarding finding NEMO reprints on ebay   Bill,   Such a thing isn't quite as cut-and-dried as you seem to think. Very few of the dealers who sell repros ONLY sell repros. They usually sell mostly original posters, with some repros mixed in. This can make them very difficult to identify. Some will sell a  repro by genuine accident, as many of the reprints are quite good and can easily slip by even an experienced seller unless he decides to examine it under a microscope or take precise measurements -- something just not worth doing for most of these posters, which will only go for $5 to $20 at auction, after all.   A big part of the problem is, as you can see by looking at a web site like www.moviegoods.com, is that there have been full-size or very near-full-size reproductions made of an awful lot of posters -- most particularly posters from the last 10 to 15 years. As far as I can tell, every movie that was even moderately popular for the past 10 or 15 years has had reproductions made of it.   This is why you see people recommending you buy the newer stuff from a MOPO dealer or some other seller who has at least made some commitment to the community by participating in this list, or MPT or some other forum. First, such people tend to be more concerned about their goods and their reputation than many eBay sellers and they also tend to be very experienced, which helps them weed out at least most of the repros that come their way. But not all list sellers may fit this bill -- quite a few just run an ad through every few days and never say anything else except "check out my auctions" -- most of those people are just using the lists an advertising venue and I doubt that most of them even bother to read the other posts on the list. So, how much they would be worried about a fellow MOPO member getting stuck with a repro is problematic.   While it's not the easy, quick-fix answer you seem to be seeking -- the best thing to do is ask around and get recommendations, make some notes yourself, educate yourself with sites like the MPT site (you'll find a clickable banner ad for it on www.MoviePosterBid.com) and try to strike up a relationship with some dealers who care and are experienced enough to know a repro most of the time when they see it and are likely to do right by you.   But if you can identify some seriously, habitual offenders, by all means feel free to create such a list yourself and publish it.. But just be aware that the moment you do, there will be people who write in and say "Hey, wait a minute, I bought an X-MEN advance from that guy and it was fine"... or  "I've always been very happy with the posters I received from Harry's Rumba and Poster Emporium on eBay, what are you talking about?"   It's also worth nothing that we do try to monitor the auctions on www.MoviePosterBid.com as closely as we can and generally have sellers on the auction site who are committed to doing right by their customers, so I would say stand a better chance of getting an true original on MPB that you will on eBay. But there are no guarantees.   -- JR ----- Original Message ----- From: Planetbiz To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 14:21 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: MOPO regarding finding NEMO reprints on ebay   Martin,      Thanks for taking the time and effort to both question this dealer and to post your information to MOPO.  In it unfortunate that nobody is willing to name the questionable dealers.  I've been trying to purchase some newer posters in recent weeks/months and about the only advice that I get is to buy from one or two dealers who happen to be MOPO, MPT, or Style-B members (depending upon where you are posting/reading).  There have to be other legitimate dealers and of course a host of problem dealers out there.      The problem dealers may in fact have lots of legitimate items but as soon as they knowingly offer questionable items, they are off limits for me. I know that there have been threats of lawsuits in the past, but we have to find a way to weed out the dealers that can be trusted from those who can't. It probably would be acceptable to have a MOPO*Approved tag if it could be actually worth something.  The attempts in the past including LAMP's current attempt seem to only reward advertisers, friends, colleagues, etc.         I will be posting an experience of mine shortly (as soon as I receive a refund) that I've had recently with an ebay dealer.  I hope to help others who might consider purchasing from this person.         Does anybody have an idea about how to generate a true *Approved list of dealers?  Does anyone else care? Thanks again, Bill -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:23 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: MOPO regarding finding NEMO reprints on ebay I had a conversation with Believe in Movies regarding their "finding Nemo posters" listed on ebay which are clearly reprints.  Below is the information from Dan's "movieposterauthentication.com" site.  Thanks to Dan for making this information available and public........and below that, see my email exchanges with "believe in movies" about his 27" x 40" , "approximately" description, and the SONIS Company logo.  His auction pictures clearly show the reprint company's logo.  I asked him to measure it and let me know what the actual not approximate size is.  Of course he didn't, and considered me hostile... and uniformed. Martin *****from Dan's site********* Finding Nemo Finding Nemo was released in North America theatrically on 3,374 screens May 30 2003.The film had the largest opening weekend for any animated film upon its US release (30 May 2003).Reprints measure 26 3/4 x 38 1/2.You will find a company logo on one of the fish in the lower left side which I believe to be the logo for (Sonis) the company that reprints movie posters.One can be found on the Matrix poster reprint as well.   Finding Nemo The fish is clean with no logo on it.Originals measure 26 15/16 x 39 15/16.There were s/s and d/s originals printed.There seems to be only s/s reprints. ****AND his responses to my emails******* Subj:    Re: Question for item #6388693087 - Cool Disney's FINDING NEMO Shark Movie Po... Date:   4/22/2005 11:42:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get different sizes of the same posters in all the time, many times in the same shipment.  That is why I state the sizes as "approx". Lou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..... if you took the time to measure it, its not 27 x 40. It"s "APPROXIMATELY SMALLER" In a message dated 4/22/2005 11:45:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Subj:     Re: Question for item #6388693087 - Cool Disney's FINDING NEMO Shark Movie Po...  Date:  4/22/2005 11:45:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time  From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm not going to argue with you.  I DO know my product.  I am one of only 37 licenced movie poster distributors for the studios across the US.  I have been licenced for 17 years and distribute to the theaters in PA, NY, NJ, DE and MD for all the movie studios, including Buena Vista (Pixar, Disney, Touchstone, etc).  I'm not sure where your hostility is coming from.  There is no "reprint logo" on the poster.  I don't know what it is you think you are seeing.  Lou  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no its not. It clearly has the reprint logo on it.  Its a disney poster,  design originally made by pixar... but its clearly a reprint. I'm suprised  you dont know more about what you sell and who actually makes them. Martin>>          Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com    ___________________________________________________________________               How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List        Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]             In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L     The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.          Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com    ___________________________________________________________________               How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List        Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]             In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L     The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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