Fellas, On a similar note ... I could never understand how skittles (the candy) ever made it ... I think it's just plain awful, but everyone I know loves the junk. Different strokes and all that ...
ad --- JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:59:00 -0500 > From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > Erik, > > Sorry, dude, but if your statements below are > serious, then from your own > statements you've identified yourself as a product > of the problem we're > discussing. Sorry to be so blunt, but at least as > far as your cinema > tastes/critical facilities go, it would seem you've > been sadly influenced to > a damaging degree by these films, which is exactly > the point. Naturally, I > don't expect you to see it this way (and I fully > expect you to be quite > pissed at me for looking at it that way). You talk > about choice, but how > much choice about being exposed to this violence > pollution did you have when > you were very young... when your tastes were being > formed? How much of it > just seeped into your consciousness through TV > commercials for such films, > from being allowed to see these films when you were > young, and other > exposure media-glorifications of violence which have > become so common? > > Do you really not understand the difference between > a genuine horror film > and a gratuitous torture fest? > > If you "get an emotional stimulus" that you "enjoy > receiving" from the > later, am I supposed to believe that's cool? Sorry, > man, it's not. Not in a > civilized world. > > -- JR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 22:05 > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL > > > > People watch horror films the same reason some > people ride roller > coasters, > > or skydive, or watch a sappy tearjerker: it gives > them an emotional > stimulus > > they enjoy receiving. It's not for everyone. > > > > Tastes are different, and "positive contributions" > may be one thing to you > > and another to I. I'll take Tobe Hooper's Texas > Chainsaw Massacre over > > Citizen Kane any day of the week. Re-Animator > trounces Gone With the Wind > in > > my house. Am I supposed to feel somewhat less of a > movie fan because of my > > tastes in cinema? Is the fact that I own Cannibal > Holocaust supposed to > make > > me a sick, depraved prevert, regardless of how > "normal" my life is? > > I think not. What floats your boat may not work > for me, bunky. Such is the > > beauty of choice. > > > > Cheers, > > Erik > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL > > > > > > >I have never been able to understand the > fascination with extreme horror > > > films or the motivation of those who make them. > Perhaps it is just the > > > cheap > > > thrill or a perverted form of shock value but it > is all a mystery to me. > I > > > believe that, despite what some sociologists > might claim, there is a > > > direct > > > correlation between violence in movies and the > many violent and horrific > > > crimes that seem to occur daily. I guess those > who make these films will > > > make money from them but it is a pity that they > cannot direct their > > > talents > > > into making films that can make a positive > contribution. > > > > > > > > > JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA > > > PO Box 92 > > > Palm Beach > > > Qld 4221 > > > Australia > > > > > > Website: www.moviemem.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Phil Edwards Cinema Arts" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL > > > > > > > > >> Erik is correct of course, most most notably in > his last two paras of > > >> his post. > > >> > > >> I probably won't see HOSTEL unless it's as a > freebie on DVD down the > > >> track. > > >> > > >> I haven't bothered to see remakes of DAWN OF > THE DEAD or TCM either. > > >> It's a matter of choice. I can think of a dozen > movies that I would > > >> choose head of eitehr of these to watch given > the amount of fre rtime I > > >> have to watch movies these days. > > >> > > >> But it has nothing to do with content, although > perhaps subject matter > > >> is an issue in making a choice, preferring an > "emotional adrenalin > rush" > > >> to a more "visceral adrenalin rush". I like > films that disturb me > > >> emotionmally and promote thought about > "difficult" emotions over films > > >> that really just make me choke with a gag > reflex.... > > >> > > >> but.... in past there were films like NOTLD > DEAD, DAWN OF THE DEAD, > > >> TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, HALLOWEEN, NIKGHTMARE > ON ELM STREET, etc, > > >> etc... and they all received similar commenatry > at the time of their > > >> release as films like HOSTEL and SAW receive > today. > > >> > > >> I'm re-reading David Skal's excellent book THE > MONSTER SHOW.... > > >> essential reading for serious horror fans as > are all of David's > > >> books.... and guess what? The contemporary 1932 > critical quotes to > > >> FREAKS and MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE could > almost be identical, just by > > >> replacing 'FEAKS' with 'HOSTEL'. > > >> > > >> So much of this stuff has to do with changing > sensibilities and the > need > > >> every few years for film makers to "revolt" > against the kind of > creeping > > >> conservatism that permeates through politics > and society and into > > >> popular arts (like film). Why do you think > American independent film > > >> makers did such a huge cage rattel in the late > 1960s, apart from > > >> protesting another commercially-driven war? > > >> > > >> BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and HOSTEL are likely coming > out of the same school > > >> in some ways... the school of WAKE-UP film > making. They may achieve a > > >> different aesthetic and through different > means, but at least they are > > >> honest in their (quite diverse) > intentions/methods, unlike something > > >> like THE PASSION, which was a gorehound movie > masquerading as an > > >> uplifting spiritual experience. > > >> > > >> Phil > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Erik wrote: > > >> > > >>> I was in attendance at a screening with Eli > Roth in Texas not to long > > >>> ago, and while I didn't care for Hostel (or > Roth's work in general) I > > >>> for one am thankful that hard-core (not in the > pornographic sense that > > >>> many attatch to the word) horror is making a > comeback. > > >>> > > >>> I cut my teeth on the Golden Age of Slasher > Films during the late 70's > > >>> to the mid 80's and as of late, the genre has > become so PC, > > >>> watered-down and weak-kneed by catering to the > PG-13 teeny-bopper > > >>> crowd (as the recent glut of crap with Kevin > Williamson's name > > >>> attached to it attests) that I thank my bloody > stars that a film like > > >>> Hostel is even seeing the light of day, much > less getting national > > >>> distribution. This is nothing more then a > drive-in flick at best, and > > >>> it's #1 opening was a welcome sight to this > ol' gorehound's jaded > > >>> retinas. > > >>> > > >>> I'm not delving into the "bad movies/bad tv > debate" as it's pointless > > >>> here. I'm outnumbered and will surely get > trounced by those with more > > >>> time (and by those much wordier then I) to > make their case. > > >>> > > >>> I'm also thankful *I* am the one deciding what > I watch, and not > > >>> someone who thinks *they* know what's good or > bad. > > >>> If it's offensive don't watch. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Erik > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > > >>> > > >>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >>> > > >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > >>> > > >>> Send a message addressed to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L > > >>> > > >>> The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > > >> > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo > Mailing List > > >> > > >> Send a message addressed to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> In the BODY of your message type: > SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > >> > > >> The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo > Mailing List > > > > > > Send a message addressed to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > In the BODY of your message type: > SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > > > The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo > Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In the BODY of your message type: > SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo > Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the BODY of your message type: > SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible > for its content. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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