Phil,
I have to disagree with you on this one...if your using the out of 10
method, than Grey is in the right track! I think he is using this method to
the best of his knowledge, which I believe to be pretty good! I've never
been disappointed based upon a condition that he has given...unlike the
auction house's that use the ABC method!
If these auction house's are going to go to all the trouble of printing
catalog's, post to MOPO everyday, posting in Movie Collector's World, and
what ever else they do to get you to bid on their auction's, than why not be
more accurate on there descriptions?
The only thing I can think of is that they have a lot of posters with
issue's, and they only want to give as little as possible on description!
Yes, the well to do can go to the auction, but a lot of us do not have that
privilege! We have to bid on trust...
There is only two auction's that I know of that tell you 1).What's wrong
with the poster. 2).Is it folded, rolled, backed? and 3).A true accurate
condition...that's Bruce & Grey!
Isn't funny they get the most for their poster's at auction!
Doug
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From: "Phil Edwards Cinema Arts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] BONHAM'S DISASTER not a disaster for
MovieArt
Grading condition is often all in the eye of the beholder.
I've long found auction house grading in the A,B, C method applied to
posters is the loosest of the lot.
A simple "out of 10" doesn't do it for me either.
We prefer to describe as many "condition issues" as we can find when we
describe a poster/lobby card/still, etc. If a little two man-band like
my wife and I run can list thousands of items a year on our website,
online auction sites and in personal mail-outs to customers for every
item whether it's ten bucks or ten thousand, I don't think it's a lot to
expect a professional auction house to do the same for their items,
particularly when they are expecting high bids from many people that
can't even see the item first hand at all and are paying a buyer's
premium on top.
Phil
Doug Ball wrote:
Michael & all,
I'm starting to realize that auction house's that use the A, B, C,
grading method, really mean A- acceptable, B-bad, C-chitty!
Sorry guy's....but you need to get with the time's!
Doug
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*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:24 PM
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for MovieArt
kirby---
kirby, my guess is that you attended the auction or had a
dealer-friend look at the items you sought.
clearly, if you attend in person, you cannot get burnt. people
who bid absentee, like me, must rely on the descriptions. the
poster i returned was based on my absentee bid. no one in the
room thought much of it. the description said A- . wouldnt you
think, that would be close to mint?
prior to my bid when i was providing credit info, i was told there
was a no-return policy. isnt it odd that for the issues i raised
(not only the gross fading), i was given full credit including
postage both ways?
when a poster is returned, do not overlook the disappointment
factor of the excited winner.
so, kirby, thank you for your contribution to my thread that you
have no complaints. perhaps, its relevance will come to me soon.
michael
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*Date: *January 22, 2006 11:29:02 AM CST
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*Subject: **Re: [MOPO] BONHAM'S DISASTER not a disaster for
MovieArt*
I bought ten posters from Bonham's and all of them were quite
good. So
I have no complaints.
Kirby McDaniel
www.movieart.net
On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Shelly Whitworth-King wrote:
Sorry to hear about your disappointment, Michael.
Pretty shoddy of Bonhams to get the information on the
colour/fading wrong
AND the fact it was paperbacked not linen. I prefer
paperbacking on some of
the smaller sized pieces myself, but expect the auction houses
to get their
facts right. One would think that for framed pieces, they
would be removed
from their frames as a matter of course and checked to make sure
the
condition matched the description.
Shelly
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Subject: [MOPO] BONHAM'S DISASTER
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:11:47 EST
it took about 28 days for me to get my full credit from Bonham's
on the
poster i purchased/won last month.
i won STRANGER'S ON A TRAIN insert. it was described in A-
Condition,
whatever that means. for those who know the poster, it is a
beautiful
orange
color. when i opened the package, it was YELLOW!!!!! i
called BONHAM'S
immediately, and they agreed to take the poster back, and pay
postage both
ways
(especially because of the defect/issue described below). it
was back on
the
FEDEX truck within one hour and fifteen minutes.
for a moment, i thought that, perhaps, (maybe) the studio, also,
issued the
same art in a YELLOW poster because the color was so uniform. i
called
bruce
h immediately because i knew he had this poster at his auction, and
asked............hey, what color is STRANGERS ???
i was warned in advance on this website that the last auction at
bonhams
had
tons of faded stuff.
Also, the poster was described as linen backed. it was not---it
was on
paper, and rolled, causing damage and chipping at the fold
lines. I
learned
after the fact that many posters were photographed framed, so
the photo and
the
description insufficient.
>>>>>>>SO,,,,,,,,,,,,, STRANGERS ON A TRAIN insert is still on
my Want
List.
anyone have it? how about inserts for ALL ABOUT EVE or THE
PARADINE
CASE?
>>>>>>CHECK OUT a few quality Sinatra pieces, a Marilyn, a
Paradine
Case,
and some other pieces i Have listed on ebay now.
LINK: _http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwitnessfor_
(http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwitnessfor)
michael
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