How are you doing? Congrats on your wonderful and longstanding ownership of this list.
I've learned much and continue to do so.
You deserve much praise.
Toochis
Shelly Whitworth-King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh dear, not so private, I'm afraid.
I feel utterly deflated and tired now. it's ... well, it's not how it could
or should have been.
Shelly
----Original Message Follows----
From: JR
Reply-To: JR
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: [MOPO] PRIVATE and OFF-LIST Re: [MOPO] Best Poster Fiend? publicly
asking JR to calm down
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:48:39 -0400
PJ,
I'm writing you about this privately because I want to let you know I
appreciate you coming in this late in the game when the mood on the list has
so obviously shifted against what I was trying to do (not fight with Susan
and ask her to behave in a civilized way).
I mean, just for fun, humor me and take a close look at what Scott really
said and did with his official "Friendly Reminder". I quote:
"Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. This includes
name-calling, innuendo, insults or gossip.
(calling someone a "hooked trout" or asking someone to "sheath their claws"
fall into the personal attack category)"
Please note that he deliberately *edited* Susan's original phrase, which was
to call me "a FUCKING hooked trout." Now, Scott is a smart guy. This no
accident. He consciously neutered her comment to make it sound far less
offense than it really was. In addition, please note that out of all the
text in my original message to Susan, he picked the single "worst-sounding"
phrase and quoted that -- but he edited that as well. Immediately after my
suggestion to "sheath your claws" I wrote the word "Peace" in my original
message. Scott deliberately left that word out of his official message to
make my comment look worse than it was.
That's deceptive manipulation of public opinion on a scale that Donnie
Sullivan never even dreamed of!
But even if grant this manipulation, why did nobody ask "Scott, how come
calling someone a fucking hooked trout is the same thing as suggesting that
someone sheath their claws? Isn't one a personal insult and the other a
suggestion on how to behave in civilized company?"
Do you see my problem here? Scott has just elevated himself to a level of
moderator duplicity that puts him *above* Donnie Sullivan as far as I'm
concerned.
And he did it because he sensed that all the touchy-feely Susan fans would
revolt if he booted her off for violating the rules. He did it for the same
reason Donnie Sullivan stabbed me in the back and booted me off Style B --
to keep his numbers up and pacify the vocal Susan Brigade.
So let's not kid ourselves... she got away with it, um, scot free. Susan and
the Style Bees are now in the conscious process of converting MOPO into
their own image, and Scott is cooperating with it... encouraging it.
I wish those who try stand against this trend good luck, but I've already
committed hari-kari on MOPO over this. Consider me one toasty, immolated
monk as far as MOPO is concerned. After what I've said the last couple days
I'll never have any credibility on that list again.
Obviously, I did make a terrible mistake. I kept silent when Susan first
attacked me -- I should have defended myself the very first day, but I
didn't think a flame war would be good for the list, so I didn't. So Susan
"won" the moment Scott posted his "Friendly Reminder" and blamed me as much
as her for the "flame-a-thon" -- even though I had said nothing in reply to
her 5 flame messages -- because the rest of the list bought his prouncement
simply because he's the Moderator. So now I end up looking like the asshole
who is trying to keep the debate going simply because I waited for him to
enforce his rules -- and so I was forced to belatedly defend myself at the
end of the sequence, when everyone just wants it to be over. But I had to
refute her lies, PJ -- you and some others knew they were lies, but there
are a lot of new people on MOPO who had no way of knowing she was lying.
But seriously, Dude, it's too late for... save yourself! You guys go on
without me... I'm done for!
aahggg...hhh (cue death-rattle sound effects...)
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
From: pj angel
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 14:27
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Best Poster Fiend? publicly asking JR to calm down
Frankly, I really enjoy talking or engaging in friendly debate with you, but
it's time to let this go. Susan shouldn't be in some sort of "cooler" and
you shouldn't be reading archives instead of e-mails. You've only hurt
yourselves with these unnecessary "punishments."
I don't see a long lasting olive branch between the two of you. But I do see
two people that know a lot about movies and posters and I want both to post
and to make others feel welcome. Is that too much to wish for? Ron
I hope you read that JR. His name isn't Wis(e)berg for nothing.
Have you had time to calm down and realized why EXACTLY there were no sides
taken publically here between you and Susan? By the time I had my retort
ready to fly Scott came out and quelled any notion of the flame expanding
anymore than it had. Scott said that matters were handled privately and to
"move on", as I think he stated it. I deleted my "contribution" to the
skirmish after that and elected to see what would happen. I didn't think
you'd get all freaky and serious-like threaten to leave the group!
Pretty wise guy, that Moderator of ours. He wasn't going to allow Mo Po to
relive another "low point of Mo Po's existence" as he himself tagged it a
few years ago. Can anyone blame him? Back then I bet his finger was "on the
button" to end the MoPo forum once and for all. It was MoPo's Bay of Pigs.
Had Scott not stepped in when he did I'm sure there would of been dozens of
public Pro-JR posts of "Gather pitchforks and torches, Mopers! STORM! STORM
THE OLSENSTEIN CASTLE!! KILL THE SHE-BEAST!" with dozens of equally
passionate "Susan For President! JR SHOULD BE NEUTERED! SLOWLY!" retorts
from the other side. Back and forth. Back and Forth. Until what? We all
turned to butter, perhaps?
It would have been entertaining as hell, but got us, as a group, no where.
So. Susan is back on MoPo. Let's deal with it. Welcome her with open arms.
Hurricane Susan, whose sustained winds and storm surge could flatten Miami.
Prepare for it. Read the warning flags, stock up, and be prepared to
evacuate. Those are the steps you take. You don't leave the country, dude.
Susan is right at home at Style B and NS4GE, especially when she's with the
other "wimmin'" over there. Things can be pretty entertaining (and nasty),
for sure. Over there Susan is like watching DEADWOOD with six-pack and a few
rowdy friends. But when she starts dropping F Bombs on MoPo it doesn't seem
right. It's like watching DEADWOOD with your Mother and Dad in the room.
There are some things you just dont say with parents around. For instance,
"Hey C**ksu**er, Pass the F***ing chips!" would qualify as something one
would not say with a parents in the room, but something that could
accidently slip out while watching DEADWOOD.
Susan can make Al Swearengen blush. If she wants to. She's our Calamity
Jane. That's a compliment, btw. A Point of Pride for her and for us. And it
appears she's trying hard to "be at home" and playing nice-nice on MoPo,
too. I like that.
I'm surprised you haven't recognized the BEST POSTER FIND thread for what it
is: a positive step forward. I'll say that again, this time in bold with
italics, and underlined:
a positive step forward. As ON TOPIC as MoPo can get. It's why MoPo was
invented, for these types of involving threads between poster collectors.
It's an attempt to move on, and QUICKLY, to better things. And it's working.
Who ever started it was/is genius.
So, JR. What do you say? Co-exist with all of us. You make MoPo a better
place.
Disregard those flippant lurkers who have never, and will never, contribute
to MoPo and this hobby like you have.
Man, you're the guy who created and made MPB WORK, for crying out loud! We
all owe you for that. Go read Rich's latest post in your behalf. It was
great. It embarassed somebody, for sure.
You're The Poster Curmudgeon, you know.
So, JR. What do you say? Tell us all about your BEST POSTER FIND.
pj
Ron Wisbergwrote:
I was really enjoying the Best Poster Find messages, noticed Susan posted
with something very positive, and then saw JR in my in box.
For a second my heart thought, wow, maybe the two really can live in
peace. WRONG. JR hijacked one of the most positive threads I've seen in
months and attempted to take it back to his own personal agenda.
SO WHAT THAT SCOTT DIDN'T HANDLE THINGS WITH THE JR SEAL OF APPROVAL!
Sorry JR, Susan Olsen seems very willing to let it go and talk about
posters, can't you? I would rather talk about posters than I would whatever
BADblood exists between you two. Let's drop who pounced first, let's forget
public or private insults, let's get on with it. Are we keeping score as to
who posted more negatives in 24-hours? Sorry, I stopped trying to keep score
in life some time age.
Frankly, I really enjoy talking or engaging in friendly debate with you,
but it's time to let this go. Susan shouldn't be in some sort of "cooler"
and you shouldn't be reading archives instead of e-mails. You've only hurt
yourselves with these unneccesary "punishments."
I don't see a long lasting olive branch between the two of you. But I do
see two people that know a lot about movies and posters and I want both to
post and to make others feel welcome. Is that too much to wish for? Ron
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