window cards until the 50s are on card stock
from teh 50s on I have seen variation between
card stock and laminated lobby card paper
after a certain point it is all laminated lobby card paper
At 09:45 AM 9/27/2009, Sean Linkenback wrote:
Actually,
as any collector who has been in the hobby 40
years knows - structurally they aren't the same.
Early window cards (like the 30s Universal
forgeries we have been discussing) are on a much
thicker layered stock than lobby cards are printed.
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From: <mailto:jrl...@mediabearonline.com>James Richard
To: <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Profiles in History...question
Alright, Jimbo, so I misread that Diane was
talking about window cards instead of lobby
cards, but the operative word in either case is
"card" and aside from the fact that a window
card is a bit longer, structurally they are the
same, so why wouldn't the same restoration
techniques be applied to both? The concerns I
raised about this technique of replacing the old
card stock on the back with new card stock would
apply to both window cards and lobby cards.
I think it's more important to think about this question:
How much difference is there... really...
between a window card or lobby card where:
1) the old original image is peeled off its
original backing and glued onto new card stock
and
2)a meticulously re-created exact replica of the
orginal image which is glued onto old card stock?
Neither one qualifies as an "original poster as
issued at the time of the film's theatrical release" in my book.
-- JR
James Ryan wrote:
Jimmy,
Do you know the difference between a WINDOW card and a LOBBY card?
Maybe you've been collecting 40 days and not 40 years?
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:37:57 -0400
From: <mailto:jrl...@mediabearonline.com>jrl...@mediabearonline.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Profiles in History...question
To: <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Diane,
Now see, I never knew that --I always assumed
that when lobby cards were restored they were
deacidified the same way a one sheet is --
soaked in a chemical bath to neutralize the
acid naturally present in the original paper. I
had no idea y'all were stripping off the back
layer of card stock and replacing it with new card stock.
If that has been the "common and acceptable"
practice for a long time, it's a wonder we
haven't had a lot more fake lobby cards --
since the even authentic original cards which
have been restored have had their original back
paper replaced, you've removed the easiest,
surest way of telling if the card is authentic
-- i.e., its original card stock paper.
So, now... well, looking at it honestly and
impartially... I have to wonder how many fake
expensive lobby cards have been slipped into
people's collections over the years? I mean, if
you can't use the back of the card check its
authenticity, well, heck, the front layer is
easy to reproduce extremely well with modern
technology. And given the relative small size
of lobby cards compared to other poster sizes,
it a lot cheaper to do -- so this sort of
high-end lobby card fakery could have been going on for quite some time now.
Seems the more we learn the worse things sound.
Diane Jeffrey wrote:
Sue
When working with window cards, we remove the
back layer card stock, this way the poster can
be cleaned, washed and deacidified, which also
results in removing any creasing/folds. We
back it then with a layer of acid free masa
paper, same stuff used in linenbacking. A lot
of window cards have been trimmed at the top,
this then allows us to add the missing paper,
making it to size. Card stock is then adhered
to the masa, repairs are made, touched up, etc.
If you look at my first post about the Dracula,
I mentioned the fact that there was a layer of
something on the back. To me, it looked like
the poster had been backed to card stock,
cardboard or "something" and when it was pulled
off, a layer remained, giving it a "fuzzy"
(term I used on NSGE) feel. So we removed what
we could on that, washed and linenbacked it.
So to answer your question, you are absolutely
right, it is possible, and just might be what happened with the Dracula poster.
Diane
Studio C
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